Tactics Mansfield Tactics??

[alfedwrds10]

After scraping my way into the top half of league two last season, everything has gone down hill this season. 10 games have gone and I am around the bottom half of the table. Does anyone have any experience with Mansfield or can anyone give me good tactics to try out?

[Dar J]

I Would try this... I would prefer a ball winning midfielder to the CM.

And as there is no perfect formation I may change it as the season goes on depending on the players I sign and how teams play against me

[Dec]

51 minutes ago, Dar J said:

I Would try this... I would prefer a ball winning midfielder to the CM.

And as there is no perfect formation I may change it as the season goes on depending on the players I sign and how teams play against me

No defensive-minded midfielder player when playing against teams that may be better? I'd change your CM to a BWM if I were you so you can win the ball higher up.

[Dar J]

29 minutes ago, Dec said:

No defensive-minded midfielder player when playing against teams that may be better? I'd change your CM to a BWM if I were you so you can win the ball higher up.

I said I would prefer a BMW to the cm but that would be something to bring into the team because I didn't find anyone decent in the team unless I mixed something

Also forgot to mention I loaded the original database not the updated one because that's the one I prefer to play with for personal reasons

[Dec]

1 minute ago, Dar J said:

I said I would prefer a BMW to the cm but that would be something to bring into the team because I didn't find anyone decent in the team unless I mixed something

Also forgot to mention I loaded the original database not the updated one because that's the one I prefer to play with for personal reasons

I don't think you can really play that formation without a BWM to be honest. I'd play the CM on the left and drop the highly intensive BBM role (assuming he has good passing) for a BWM.

[Dar J]

2 minutes ago, Dec said:

I don't think you can really play that formation without a BWM to be honest. I'd play the CM on the left and drop the highly intensive BBM role (assuming he has good passing) for a BWM.

I don't think you understood me

I agree with you that the BWM would be better but I would have to buy someone to play that position because in the team I didn't find any decent midfielder to play as a BWM... so let me for example I start unemployed and I manage to get the Mansfield job after the first transfer window I would play that formation first and second how we go in games then if it needs change I'd drop the BBM in the DM position at the middle the put the CM at the left 

[Dec]

1 minute ago, Dar J said:

I don't think you understood me

I agree with you that the BWM would be better but I would have to buy someone to play that position because in the team I didn't find any decent midfielder to play as a BWM... so let me for example I start unemployed and I manage to get the Mansfield job after the first transfer window I would play that formation first and second how we go in games then if it needs change I'd drop the BBM in the DM position at the middle the put the CM at the left 

But the thing is you NEED to play a BWM else you are basically inviting trouble on your defence. You won't succeed without it whether you need to buy someone or not.

Plus I doubt anyone has a decent level of ability and stamina to play a BBM. What are the BBMs main attributes? If he has decent tackling then chage him to the BWM and swap his position to the middle.

[Dar J]

6 minutes ago, Dec said:

But the thing is you NEED to play a BWM else you are basically inviting trouble on your defence. You won't succeed without it whether you need to buy someone or not.

Plus I doubt anyone has a decent level of ability and stamina to play a BBM. What are the BBMs main attributes? If he has decent tackling then chage him to the BWM and swap his position to the middle.

This guy would be playing as the BBM not just because it says so in his profile..he's got the aggression, stamina, tackling and decent passing and shooting and teamwork he's speed is not the best though 

Edited May 28, 2016 by Dar J

[Dec]

Just now, Dar J said:

This guy would be playing as the BBM not just because it says so in his profile..he's got the aggression, stamina, tackling and decent passing and shooting and teamwork 

He isn't bad for a BBM but with very little shooting, passing or dribbling it seems a bit of a waste. I would say he needs at least 12+ on these to even be considered as a BBM. plus he doesn't have the pace to get back. Looks a much better BWM to fully make use of his aggression and tackling though his positioning is somewhat of a letdown but he could still do a job there. I wouldn't want this guy on the edge of the box though having shots from long range like a BBM does and for team balance he does a job at BWM and would make more sense to tighten up the defence.

[Dar J]

1 minute ago, Dec said:

He isn't bad for a BBM but with very little shooting, passing or dribbling it seems a bit of a waste. I would say he needs at least 12+ on these to even be considered as a BBM. plus he doesn't have the pace to get back. Looks a much better BWM to fully make use of his aggression and tackling though his positioning is somewhat of a letdown but he could still do a job there. I wouldn't want this guy on the edge of the box though having shots from long range like a BBM does and for team balance he does a job at BWM and would make more sense to tighten up the defence.

You're right... like I said in the initial post I would definitely changed things going on in the save .. I looked quickly at the squad to offer my help I did not think deeply on the whole players 

I 've had saves where I quickly go with a tactic it works and we win games but I end up changing it because I don't like how the team play after all I'm the manager and I want the team to play how I want 

[Dec]

Just now, Dar J said:

You're right... like I said in the initial post I would definitely changed things going on in the save .. I looked quickly at the squad to offer my help I did not think deeply on the whole players 

I 've had saves where I quickly go with a tactic it works and we win games but I end up changing it because I don't like how the team play after all I'm the manager and I want the team to play how I want 

The way I see it is if a player can do a job in a position but prefers a different one (not sure BBM suits him anyway) I wouldn't sacrifice shape for a player potentially playing better as he probably won't as the team won't be as good.

[Dar J]

Everybody have their style of playing 

[Dec]

5 minutes ago, Dar J said:

Everybody have their style of playing 

Of course but especially at this level not having a defensive minded midfielder is likely to cause some big problems.

[Mikee1984]

I took Stockport from vanarama north to prem in 8 seasons using this tactic. Scores absolutely loads but quite leaky at the back as you can see, makes for high scoring exciting games. 

[Dec]

Same issue as above @Mikee1984 that is why you are leaky at the back.  I'd also probably swap the AP and TM round as the AP often runs to the wing where you have a winger. Drop the BBM for a BWM or the APM for a DLP and you will find the defence tightens up and would have probably won the league.

[Dar J]

11 minutes ago, Dec said:

Of course but especially at this level not having a defensive minded midfielder is likely to cause some big problems.

Have you ever created a 4-4-2 and 4-1-4-1 that worked very well in the sense that you don't win games luckily and you don't loose too many?

[Dec]

5 minutes ago, Dar J said:

Have you ever created a 4-4-2 and 4-1-4-1 that worked very well in the sense that you don't win games luckily and you don't loose too many?

I hate using both of them formations to be honest. A 442 is good for counter attacking I find as you can base it on a solid defence but I found it difficult to dominate games using them.

[alfedwrds10]

Cheers lads will try now and post

[Mikee1984]

1 hour ago, Dec said:

Same issue as above @Mikee1984 that is why you are leaky at the back.  I'd also probably swap the AP and TM round as the AP often runs to the wing where you have a winger. Drop the BBM for a BWM or the APM for a DLP and you will find the defence tightens up and would have probably won the league.

I don't mind leaky as long as I'm out scoring my opponents, and I've found that dlp in this formation does absolutely nothing so BBM is best for me. 

[alfedwrds10]

Regarding Mikee1984's tactic:

I started with some dominating performances, but unfortunately something didn't seem to click - maybe it specifically suited your Stockport team. Thanks anyway I'll try it again soon.

 

[Fr3ddi3_Grav3s]

Unlucky boss

[Mikee1984]

3 minutes ago, alfedwrds10 said:

Regarding Mikee1984's tactic:

I started with some dominating performances, but unfortunately something didn't seem to click - maybe it specifically suited your Stockport team. Thanks anyway I'll try it again soon.

 

No way I'd of thought it would be perfect for them, try dropping counter attack off and have just pressing.

[Dec]

7 minutes ago, Mikee1984 said:

I don't mind leaky as long as I'm out scoring my opponents, and I've found that dlp in this formation does absolutely nothing so BBM is best for me. 

Try swapping BBM for the BWM as you already have an INF to cover the middle.

[alfedwrds10]

Just now, Mikee1984 said:

No way I'd of thought it would be perfect for them, try dropping counter attack off and have just pressing.

Ok will do, thanks.

[Mikee1984]

1 minute ago, Dec said:

Try swapping BBM for the BWM as you already have an INF to cover the middle.

I'll bare that in mind as I'm about to do my first season in the prem with them and maybe need to tighten up a bit.

[Dec]

1 minute ago, Mikee1984 said:

I'll bare that in mind as I'm about to do my first season in the prem with them and maybe need to tighten up a bit.

I totally agree there, even more so as you are playing counter attack but have only your defence behind the ball. Counter attack doesn't really go with no defensive minded midfield players as the aim is to sit back and move the ball quick when you get it back, same with having attacking on. That is why you want to win the ball high up, so you can catch them more off guard.

[Mikee1984]

Yh totally agree there Dec maybe I've got away with havin no real defensive minded player at lower levels but in the prem it could be very risky. I'll have a go with a BWM in there but I love the BBM so might drop the AP, what do you think?

[Dec]

10 minutes ago, Mikee1984 said:

Yh totally agree there Dec maybe I've got away with havin no real defensive minded player at lower levels but in the prem it could be very risky. I'll have a go with a BWM in there but I love the BBM so might drop the AP, what do you think?

That would mean you have no passers in midfield. Unless you drop a striker or play a lopsided formation you need a passer paired with a physical player so either a DLP with a BBM or a BWM with a CM or APM.

[Taff]

I'm running a save now using a 32221 formation it's very solid at the back has good games up front but I use two IF's and two DW in the wide DM position for width have a DLP and BBM in the CM position it's just getting my instructions to work currently using defensive, mixed, mixed, mixed committed and counter attack it's working fairly well but could be better, I've always struggled to get my CM pair right

[alfedwrds10]

I have played three games with this, winning 1, drawing 1 and losing 1. I think what I am going to do is offer resignation at the end of the season as the board are refusing to give me money to reach my players' contract demands. For now I will keep using this tactic and who knows, I might be able to join Stockport.