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[DIRECTFX]

I'm new here so don't know if it's been covered but who are the biggest busts/flops you had in your games?? 

Post any leagues doesn't have to be big ones. Buy that player you been eyeing for couple months/years then finally get him and he gets injured all the time, doesn't fit in and unhappy all the time, joins does ok for month or two then boom huge drop off and coach report says he's a backup if regulars not available or decent player but others at same position just as good... Or the youth busts I got usually be 5* potential and scout report blue messages saying first team player then buy him and value no change then coach report says in yellow he's a decent player in the future with a drop from 5* to 3.5-4* potential....

i only played lower leagues so maybe it's more prevalent since lower leagues have worse/unreliable coach/scout reports ?? I only have tried Kiddiminster and Chesterfield (currently) These busts hurt pretty bad in lower leagues as its harder to fix mistake with less resources/talent

My current bust is ST S.Miller bought start of 16/17 season from Morecambe for just below market value. Got the big newspaper headline to thinking hey don't see that often must be good . Well he is 30 yr old and started the season on fire with 16 goals in his first 12 games .. He had CA of 4.5 with PA of 5 . Then just went downhill from there Idk what happened as he had same training, no unhappiness, same lineup/tactics etc as first 12 games. 

Currently in his last 20 games he's only had 4 goals and 3 assists as we have dropped from running away with the league to middling in playoff spots (3-4) and have not sniffed (1-2) spots for couple months now . He has a good avg since he started out first couple matches with hat tricks, 8.0 avg and we had nice lead about 8 points over 2nd and 10 over 3rd. Now he still leads league in avg rating but #2 really close, he's gone from #1 in goals which he held for most the season to #3rd and fading away. He never won player of the month award even when hot though he was leading league in avg , goals and PoM awards no idea how he didn't. He also dropped CA from 4.5 to 4 and PA from 5 to 4 . Seems like such a big drop in a short couple of weeks ??? Never had player doing as good as he was then to have him flameout when need em the most at end of season trying to get to promotion is devastating. 

How often does stats, CA, PA, change for players in game? I thought it was mainly monthly and based on morale, unhappiness with training/team/not regular , injury , growth/decrease naturally depending on age as youth grow old players go down. Just think 30 yr old isn't that old to be a natural decline .. 

LMK how it has been with your players and any tips to get players back on track would help .. Thx

 

[Dar J]

I think you are mistaking the star ratings for CA and PA.. the star rating changes based on the performance of the player and what your coach thinks about him while the real CA of a player can change due to many factors for example training, if he's underperforming ecc but the PA never changes that's how good a player can be and not all players reach their PA

Now in your example you player is 30 years and he was performing well at the beginning of the season and then he dropped of.. I have a player like that Luke Bowen 

I got him when he was 27 and I brought him in because of his speed and I've used him in a previous save and he was decent... so when I brought him in he started smashing in goals then at a point he stopped so I left him out of the squad for some time and I checked his stats and he had declined in pace and shooting so I changed his training and he picked up in those stats then I brought him back in the team and he didn't do too well as before.... Now I've used him for 3 seasons and he's been my highest goal scorer even if he reaches that point in every season where he is shit and after studying him O noted that he performed better as a lone striker and as an AF and it's can of in his nature to start well then go off and then pick up again....

My advice is that you check his stat see if he has declined anywhere and change his training regime and try to study him...

Bowen is coming to me to league 1 and as he's 30 I think it would be the end of his adventure with me because ones his pase goes under 14 he stops performing 

 

[DIRECTFX]

Well I'm not sure about the difference in CA/PA and star rating? Guess I'm a bit confused as you say a PA can't change? But it seems monthly they do when I look at first team and reserves the PA stars go up and down along with CA so it can't be fixed ?? 

As for my player he's still going downhill. I just can't believe how fast he can drop off and when he was signed unlike other transfers I got the newspaper headline , thinking he was solid. Does the newspaper headlines mean anything for transfers?

You said you had yours for 3 years does he hit his highest ratings again at start of each year then fizzle out or does he start good but not as good as the year before, like a gradual decline???? 

Cant believe my guy is already dropped to backup status on coach report yet was best foward a month ago .. I tried diff training and setups but his morale has dropped now with form .. He never had bad morale/unhappiness or problems with training until he hit the crapper as to say , so seems he should have been keeping up form.

I'll try to see which stats are dropping but he is def going down just mad as its coming up to playoff time and could miss promotion even though made sure he was good morale/training then cpu killed him for no reason I could have prevented/predicted 

Edited July 4, 2016 by DIRECTFX

[Meow]

As someone very transfer-centric, my largest flop was Lucas Piazon, was smug about poaching him for 19.5m from Chelsea as Liverpool. But eventually sold him on for only 17.5m to Dortmund. He performed decent throughout, but wasn't my first choice.

Another would be my current Oviedo save. My French left winger (Ribery regen) was brought in with great hopes. Had a poor stamina of 7. He never could play a string of games and had troubles playing even 1 full match. A leg break for 5 months reduced his stamina to 1. Sold him on for 40+m to Monaco (along with Vietto for 27.5m that I poached from Athletico for 5.75m) hoping that first team football would eventually give him a better career. Damaged his cruciate ligaments there, out for 13 months. Still 21 hoping he'll make it. 

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[Dar J]

1 hour ago, DIRECTFX said:

Well I'm not sure about the difference in CA/PA and star rating? Guess I'm a bit confused as you say a PA can't change? But it seems monthly they do when I look at first team and reserves the PA stars go up and down along with CA so it can't be fixed ?? 

As for my player he's still going downhill. I just can't believe how fast he can drop off and when he was signed unlike other transfers I got the newspaper headline , thinking he was solid. Does the newspaper headlines mean anything for transfers?

You said you had yours for 3 years does he hit his highest ratings again at start of each year then fizzle out or does he start good but not as good as the year before, like a gradual decline???? 

Cant believe my guy is already dropped to backup status on coach report yet was best foward a month ago .. I tried diff training and setups but his morale has dropped now with form .. He never had bad morale/unhappiness or problems with training until he hit the crapper as to say , so seems he should have been keeping up form.

I'll try to see which stats are dropping but he is def going down just mad as its coming up to playoff time and could miss promotion even though made sure he was good morale/training then cpu killed him for no reason I could have prevented/predicted 

You can't see a players CA or PA... the CA tells you how good a player is NOW while PA is  how good he could be in the FUTURE and it's a number ranged from 0-200 they have nothing to do with the star ratings in game... just forget about the stars use them only when you are new in a club and you want to know how good your assistant think your players are and when bringing in someone and you have 2 people to chose from that are almost the same because the rating is done based on the players in your squad...

There are also hidden attributes that are in place like consistency, important matches 

Talking about Bowen this is what he has done so far

This season he missed 11 games but he still managed to score the most goal in the league and as you can see below he had the highest average rating in my squad 

Another advice is don't look up to only 1 person to score for you luckily 4 me when Bowen was off I had Shaw that scored only  1 goal less than him

Edited July 4, 2016 by Dar J
Forgot to add something

[DIRECTFX]

Ok I think now it's making sense about the stars. I always thought they were measure of players current ability in game not only vs the squad he is on. It explains how I had some 1* CA players seem to do good for the role I wanted like super sub with speed on wing but I was always confused seeing the 1* vs player coach reports had as 4* for same slot .. 

So the team reports are only based on coachs opinion as to best def/mid/att on team not actually the best ? So I should use my instincts and not coaches reports about player not being able ever make 1st team, being a backup or strongest at a position etc?? 

Now PA is confusing as its related to say scouting. If I ignore PA stars from scouts how do I find best players ? I always need good youth players since I can't afford most players in their prime . Do I ignore them too? Since we are in lower leagues does that effect reports accuracy? Do coach badges/aptitude effect reports or just training? 

If this is taking up forums space I could pm you as I have a bunch questions since I haven't played the game since think 2013 on psp and description of game being not as deep as other versions is kinda misleading there's lots of information/research you need to do to be successful it seems not just hit play and put players in starting 11 .. 

 

 

[DIRECTFX]

Lol forgot about my other striker I was going to pair with him is even a bigger bust as he didn't have a big start . Do the newspaper signings have any meaning vs non headline ones? Like player is in prime/good CA ?

My backup foward 

 

[Dar J]

1 minute ago, DIRECTFX said:

Ok I think now it's making sense about the stars. I always thought they were measure of players current ability in game not only vs the squad he is on. It explains how I had some 1* CA players seem to do good for the role I wanted like super sub with speed on wing but I was always confused seeing the 1* vs player coach reports had as 4* for same slot .. 

So the team reports are only based on coachs opinion as to best def/mid/att on team not actually the best ? So I should use my instincts and not coaches reports about player not being able ever make 1st team, being a backup or strongest at a position etc?? 

Now PA is confusing as its related to say scouting. If I ignore PA stars from scouts how do I find best players ? I always need good youth players since I can't afford most players in their prime . Do I ignore them too? Since we are in lower leagues does that effect reports accuracy? Do coach badges/aptitude effect reports or just training? 

If this is taking up forums space I could pm you as I have a bunch questions since I haven't played the game since think 2013 on psp and description of game being not as deep as other versions is kinda misleading there's lots of information/research you need to do to be successful it seems not just hit play and put players in starting 11 .. 

 

 

Don't be afraid of asking that is what the forum is for... and you got it right use more of your instinct and ignore more your coaches... about finding young talents in lower leagues... I've played the game for only 2 years so I'm kind of new to it 2 even if I think I've.learnt a lot so I'd say in lower leagues you don't have the best training facilities so it would be hard for any young player to reach their potential ability if it's really high that's why when I sign young players I look at the key stats for the role they will then I ask myself if he would be good enough if those stats could go up by 2 points and if the answer is yes I go for him if not I shortlist him and follow his progression

And don't be afraid to get rid of players you don't play even in a free the wage could be useful to bring in someone that could help you win

[Dar J]

6 minutes ago, DIRECTFX said:

Lol forgot about my other striker I was going to pair with him is even a bigger bust as he didn't have a big start . Do the newspaper signings have any meaning vs non headline ones? Like player is in prime/good CA ?

My backup foward 

 

I don't really know about d newspaper stuff but look at real-life football big transfers that are always talked about by journalist do disappoint while others you don't hear about surprise... a good example is Luiz Adriano's transfer to A.C. Milan last season (I'm a Milan fan) most of Milan 's fans were happy but he didn't do as expected at the end

[DIRECTFX]

1 hour ago, Meow said:

As someone very transfer-centric, my largest flop was Lucas Piazon, was smug about poaching him for 19.5m from Chelsea as Liverpool. But eventually sold him on for only 17.5m to Dortmund. He performed decent throughout, but wasn't my first choice.

Another would be my current Oviedo save. My French left winger (Ribery regen) was brought in with great hopes. Had a poor stamina of 7. He never could play a string of games and had troubles playing even 1 full match. A leg break for 5 months reduced his stamina to 1. Sold him on for 40+m to Monaco (along with Vietto for 27.5m that I poached from Athletico for 5.75m) hoping that first team football would eventually give him a better career. Damaged his cruciate ligaments there, out for 13 months. Still 21 hoping he'll make it. 

Wow those are some bad luck injuries. Are they the longest you have had? Think my longest so far was about 2 months . Can a players career be cut short/early retirement in FMM as that would also be a risk ? Only good thing for my busts is not huge values but still hurt in Lower Leagues just higher leagues bigger reward bigger the risk it seems. 

[Dar J]

3 minutes ago, DIRECTFX said:

Wow those are some bad luck injuries. Are they the longest you have had? Think my longest so far was about 2 months . Can a players career be cut short/early retirement in FMM as that would also be a risk ? Only good thing for my busts is not huge values but still hurt in Lower Leagues just higher leagues bigger reward bigger the risk it seems. 

I've had someone out for 11 months

[Meow]

7 hours ago, DIRECTFX said:

Wow those are some bad luck injuries. Are they the longest you have had? Think my longest so far was about 2 months . Can a players career be cut short/early retirement in FMM as that would also be a risk ? Only good thing for my busts is not huge values but still hurt in Lower Leagues just higher leagues bigger reward bigger the risk it seems. 

They can retire from injury, but that's rare. 12 or 13 months is a common thing, usually doesn't happen to my players. Mostly 5 months.