Chat Correct Team Instructions And Refinements!

[un4givenn]

For Football Manager Mobile 2017 ; team instructions and refinements are the most important thing. I think AI ignores your squad and player capacity. The main thing is "Playing correctly and frequently". So I want to help from the experienced gamers some tactics. For example, if we play a match in our stadium and team instruction is "Balanced" so what will be other things ? Example my tactic is 4-1-3-2 so two full backs, two central defender, one deep lying playmaker in front of them  and on the MC positions, a ball winnings midfielder, a advanced playmaker and a central midfielder. For forwards a poacher and a trequartista. So let's discuss! What must we play ? Passing style? Passing focus? And refinements?

[veerus]

This is an impossible discussion to have. Literally any option could be viable. Just got to pick what you like best, observe how well it works, then make tweaks as needed. 

The only thing I can say is that unless you're playing a top tier team, I have a feeling that your formation will struggle to score goals. 

[un4givenn]

At the same time let's discuss to player roles. I know it's easy to write and comment about Deep Lying Playmaker's role or Ball Winning Midfielder role or another role. But we must know the anti-roles. We know each soccer team's formation looks like an inverse image of each other. So we have to know anti's. For example if the opponent put the centre of middle a "Ball Winning Midfielder" to his left middle centre. So we will put our anti player role to our right midfield centre. Who is this? A "Deep Lying Playmker"? or a "Ball Winning Midfielder" ?

Please help to improve this discussion.

Edited February 3, 2017 by un4givenn

[un4givenn]

@veerus We all know in this forum there is a lot of Challenges about little teams or weaker teams and we know all of their success. Don't think like that. Everybody likes to be a manager of lower leagues and a few years later want to be in the premier league. It's everybody's dream. It's to easy to challenge with Real Madrid or Barcelona but this is the easy way. We can not improve our management like that.

[Nick11]

4-1-3-2 is compact or i say narrow formation & as you said you  play 2 Fullbacks  you should keep your passing focus Central and when it's about type of passing keep short or mixed with no pressing.

[BatiGoal]

1 hour ago, un4givenn said:

At the same time let's discuss to player roles. I know it's easy to write and comment about Deep Lying Playmaker's role or Ball Winning Midfielder role or another role. But we must know the anti-roles. We know each soccer team's formation looks like an inverse image of each other. So we have to know anti's. For example if the opponent put the centre of middle a "Ball Winning Midfielder" to his left middle centre. So we will put our anti player role to our right midfield centre. Who is this? A "Deep Lying Playmker"? or a "Ball Winning Midfielder" ?

Please help to improve this discussion.

Sorry to say it but this isn't exactly how football works. It's not simply a matter of canceling eachother out. Why would you want to always adapt to your opponent anyway?

Say they play a Target Man, what do you do? Put a Central Defender on him? A Limited Defender? What if this Target Man outclasses both your defenders? I would cut off his supply. Take on their wingers and make sure there are no crosses coming into your box which nullifies his threat almost completely. Do that and the extra defender you were going to put on him can be used to outnumber him in midfield and control the game. If he's got strong wingers make sure those don't get the ball by reinforcing your midfield. Cut off their supply. Play pressing so they won't be able to build up play from the back.

Your methodology of role against role doesn't work. It's not 11 times 1vs1 on the pitch if you know what I mean.

[Nick11]

3 minutes ago, BatiGoal said:

Sorry to say it but this isn't exactly how football works. It's not simply a matter of canceling eachother out. Why would you want to always adapt to your opponent anyway?

Say they play a Target Man, what do you do? Put a Central Defender on him? A Limited Defender? What if this Target Man outclasses both your defenders? I would cut off his supply. Take on their wingers and make sure there are no crosses coming into your box which nullifies his threat almost completely. Do that and the extra defender you were going to put on him can be used to outnumber him in midfield and control the game. If he's got strong wingers make sure those don't get the ball by reinforcing your midfield. Cut off their supply. Play pressing so they won't be able to build up play from the back.

Your methodology of role against role doesn't work. It's not 11 times 1vs1 on the pitch if you know what I mean.

Nailed it mate ?

My view on pressing differ from you .. i guess when you press you leave bit space in your formation as well as pushing your players further up the pitch leaves you vulnerable at back. I would rather keep Balanced mentality with more offensive & tweak their role for link-up play . 

[Dar J]

2 hours ago, Nick11 said:

Nailed it mate ?

My view on pressing differ from you .. i guess when you press you leave bit space in your formation as well as pushing your players further up the pitch leaves you vulnerable at back. I would rather keep Balanced mentality with more offensive & tweak their role for link-up play . 

I agree. I've found pressing useless this year because it just pulls out your players giving the opposition space to explore. I'd like an instruction to tell di defenders to close down less and leave the pressing to the boys at the front

[un4givenn]

31 minutes ago, Dar J said:

I agree. I've found pressing useless this year because it just pulls out your players giving the opposition space to explore. I'd like an instruction to tell di defenders to close down less and leave the pressing to the boys at the front

 

2 hours ago, Nick11 said:

Nailed it mate ?

My view on pressing differ from you .. i guess when you press you leave bit space in your formation as well as pushing your players further up the pitch leaves you vulnerable at back. I would rather keep Balanced mentality with more offensive & tweak their role for link-up play . 

 

3 hours ago, BatiGoal said:

Sorry to say it but this isn't exactly how football works. It's not simply a matter of canceling eachother out. Why would you want to always adapt to your opponent anyway?

Say they play a Target Man, what do you do? Put a Central Defender on him? A Limited Defender? What if this Target Man outclasses both your defenders? I would cut off his supply. Take on their wingers and make sure there are no crosses coming into your box which nullifies his threat almost completely. Do that and the extra defender you were going to put on him can be used to outnumber him in midfield and control the game. If he's got strong wingers make sure those don't get the ball by reinforcing your midfield. Cut off their supply. Play pressing so they won't be able to build up play from the back.

Your methodology of role against role doesn't work. It's not 11 times 1vs1 on the pitch if you know what I mean.

Guys I am totally agree with you. Yes you are completely right. For example if their wingers like Ronaldo and Bale , you can't stop them easily. But i just wonder to have a great struggling team thats it. We must do everything but result is not important. Just be a team and play teamplay. So i create this topic to listen different ideas from masters like you. 

[Jack]

It's an interesting discussion but what the AI does or how the AI reacts doesn't  really affect me - I have my own 'philosophy' when playing the game in terms of the formation I like to play & the types of players I buy, trying to get players to fit your system is a fun challenge - especially when you take over teams that require a rebuilding job.

[un4givenn]

2 hours ago, Jack said:

It's an interesting discussion but what the AI does or how the AI reacts doesn't  really affect me - I have my own 'philosophy' when playing the game in terms of the formation I like to play & the types of players I buy, trying to get players to fit your system is a fun challenge - especially when you take over teams that require a rebuilding job.

I know and i am searching a philisophy for me. Thats why i am asking. I just wonder true combinations for team instructions. For example if i want to plat "Balanced" and if i dont want any winger or wide player what am i have to do? For example like this combo: Balanced,passing focus centre,passing style mixed , gk style mixed , counter attacking like this. Sometimes I see AI has Counter Attack and Pressing but i did not understand. If youbwant counter you must stay back , if you want pressure you cant make counter attacks. I mean this situations. Thats all. All of us know people did this AI. So they setup the computer moves. Ai always searching to beat you. Why do we play always with some philisophy? It is not fair. So we must make moves like this. 

[Nick11]

8 hours ago, un4givenn said:

 

 

Guys I am totally agree with you. Yes you are completely right. For example if their wingers like Ronaldo and Bale , you can't stop them easily. But i just wonder to have a great struggling team thats it. We must do everything but result is not important. Just be a team and play teamplay. So i create this topic to listen different ideas from masters like you. 

No one is master , atleast not me ... just a novice like you... @Batigoal @DarJ might be.

I suggest you (for EME) to look how AI tweak their Tactic to mark your players & create space for themselves ..see what their roles are. Try different tactics & every time check AI's tweak this will give an idea about how to tweak when facing Tactic similar to yours.

Basic thing AI do is tweak their players role . This is best way to learn tweaking. Check what they do when You put 3 man , 4 man , 5 man midfield. 

If under some circumstances when find yourself controlled by them playing long balls ,keeping 2-3 forward upfront, is really helpful.

[Nick11]

9 hours ago, Dar J said:

I agree. I've found pressing useless this year because it just pulls out your players giving the opposition space to explore. I'd like an instruction to tell di defenders to close down less and leave the pressing to the boys at the front

Yeah man one thing i do is to keep defense as solid as i can & mark their players with Midfielders. 

[un4givenn]

5 hours ago, Nick11 said:

Yeah man one thing i do is to keep defense as solid as i can & mark their players with Midfielders. 

I think I misspoke. My goal is not to find vulnerabilities, constantly win the game. I only develop on these questions and gameplay system. Best offensive combinations and make combinations of how the best defender. Pres do with counter-attacking system work together? Offside with counter-attacking work together? Wing attack player or should I do rust focus Central I better outcome? These are the answers I was looking for. For example "The Men Behind the Ball", how they work, and which works for adjustment of the option? This information is useful to anyone in the light of the results we will achieve.
 

Edited February 4, 2017 by un4givenn

[un4givenn]

As an example what can we do about this formation's team instructions and refinements?

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by un4givenn

[Dar J]

I would play balance through the middle and I might play a DLF

[un4givenn]

1 minute ago, Dar J said:

I would play balance through the middle and I might play a DLF

What can be the player roles ? Refinements ?

[lishane1905]

Game hasnt gotten that deep yet.I think in 2 or 3 years we gonna have much detailed  tactical options.Imo u cant make your team play exact way u want in any of fmh or fmm games.Also there was no perfect tactic in any of my saves.Best one burned out after 1 season even with lots of high class players.

[un4givenn]

19 minutes ago, lishane1905 said:

Game hasnt gotten that deep yet.I think in 2 or 3 years we gonna have much detailed  tactical options.Imo u cant make your team play exact way u want in any of fmh or fmm games.Also there was no perfect tactic in any of my saves.Best one burned out after 1 season even with lots of high class players.

I know there is no perfect tactic. But I just want to learn formation and team instruction combos. For example if I have 3 defender and three of all are ball playing defender. Will my gk play mixed long or short which one can i profit? Like this questions. In this forum too many people helping each other. Like @PriZe @Ashez @Dec . What are their opinions i just wonder . I think three of all must write this topic their opinions