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I am stunned by how poor Serie A is in this game.

I'd been told by @smoggy90 that it was a great place to score goals, but I still can't believe how weak it is beyond the top few teams.

I'm in the seventh season, so I guess some weaker teams may have been promoted, but of the 20 teams, 3 of them are so weak, they are mostly made up of greyed out players:

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Here is an eg of one of their real players, a starting defender:

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If you go beyond those three teams, you still find plenty of players like that coming up against you, like this fella (note he is a key player):

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Even when you get up to teams that you'd think would be much better, like Lazio, you'll find they have some very weak players (as well as some good ones). This is Lazio's starting goalkeeper:

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Poor lad didn't stand a chance:

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So... my question is: why is this the case?

Is it just something unique to my save (ie it just worked out that way this time around)? Is it that the game is crap in balancing out the level of Serie A? Or is Serie A really that poor in real life (I only know the teams in the top half). 

 

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I did watch Serie A sometimes and I do enjoy Sassuolo and AC Milan in recent games but I do think somewhere around the bottom-10 is quite poor despite having a massive fight in the top-10.

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18 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

I did watch Serie A sometimes and I do enjoy Sassuolo and AC Milan in recent games but I do think somewhere around the bottom-10 is quite poor despite having a massive fight in the top-10.

Thanks - that's good to know. I'm really not across the bottom half in real life.

But still, 3 teams that are mostly grey players? You'd probably would even get that in the Conference in England. I guess maybe the Italian side of the database isn't as in depth as the English one? But, I'm just sort of shocked by it... 😵

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3 minutes ago, Scratch said:

Thanks - that's good to know. I'm really not across the bottom half in real life.

But still, 3 teams that are mostly grey players? You'd probably would even get that in the Conference in England. I guess maybe the Italian side of the database isn't as in depth as the English one? But, I'm just sort of shocked by it... 😵

Perhaps they managed to climb from the bottom to top I guess? Or somehow all their old players retire at the same time 😂

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5 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Perhaps they managed to climb from the bottom to top I guess? Or somehow all their old players retire at the same time 😂

Yeah, they could have climbed up! Though Perugia shouldn't be too low down (I know the name, even though I don't much about them). 

Maybe these clubs are run by French Mike Ashley's and he said "No new players!"... 🤣

I'm guessing it's a combination of the level not being too high in real life and FMM not balancing things properly. But just a guess! 

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I don’t think I ever seen things like this when I’ve been in Italy.

Have you just loaded the Serie A league up alone? I’m wondering if that could be partly the reason if so as maybe some of those clubs just haven’t got any decent players available to buy.

I didn’t do that on my saves there, probably should’ve done on my Kean one last year and my Jazzy Jeff save I needed to use loads of players of different nationalities so had three other leagues loaded that time. I’ve got backups of those saves on my laptop so I’ll get them next time I’m on the laptop and investigate but don’t think things got as bad as that tbh.

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1 hour ago, Ian said:

I don’t think I ever seen things like this when I’ve been in Italy.

Have you just loaded the Serie A league up alone? I’m wondering if that could be partly the reason if so as maybe some of those clubs just haven’t got any decent players available to buy.

I didn’t do that on my saves there, probably should’ve done on my Kean one last year and my Jazzy Jeff save I needed to use loads of players of different nationalities so had three other leagues loaded that time. I’ve got backups of those saves on my laptop so I’ll get them next time I’m on the laptop and investigate but don’t think things got as bad as that tbh.

Um, yeah, guilty. I only have Serie A loaded. I guess if I loaded Serie B there would be more players in those teams. Still, I've played in Scotland with just the SPL loaded and I never ran into that happening in the promoted teams there. 

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43 minutes ago, Scratch said:

Um, yeah, guilty. I only have Serie A loaded. I guess if I loaded Serie B there would be more players in those teams. Still, I've played in Scotland with just the SPL loaded and I never ran into that happening in the promoted teams there. 

I’ve checked a backup of my Kean save from last year that I have on my phone and I didn’t have this problem on that save.

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Team here bottom with players not great but not so bad either. This was last year though and just one save.

I may have a look at my fabled number ten save from a few months back and see what’s going on on that but I have a feeling it won’t be so bad as the quality of opposition seemed to remain fairly similar throughout really.

Seems strange yours as that is very poor quality for a team in any top league really.

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10 minutes ago, Ian said:

I’ve checked a backup of my Kean save from last year that I have on my phone and I didn’t have this problem on that save.

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Team here bottom with players not great but not so bad either. This was last year though and just one save.

I may have a look at my fabled number ten save from a few months back and see what’s going on on that but I have a feeling it won’t be so bad as the quality of opposition seemed to remain fairly similar throughout really.

Seems strange yours as that is very poor quality for a team in any top league really.

Thanks for taking the time Ian. I guess it's good if it's just my save rather than a fundamental problem. And probably self inflicted due to only loading Serie A. Mind you, you are in 2046 there! Who knows what Serie A will be like at that time...

Here is the bottom of the table in mine (much worse GD than yours):

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For the bottom team, here are the players sorted by games played (more non grey players than in my previous screenshot when you order them like that):

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And here are their top 7 players by appearances:

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Not quite Serie A standard, hey? 😄 Actually not even SPL standard in truth. Maybe that's around L2? Or the Conference?

 

Some of the other lower teams have better players than that of course, but let's pick on Lazio who are mid table these days (finished 8th). Here are their players (you'll know some of the name obviously):

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Let's look at the top 6 by appearances:

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So I guess this is a bit more like it? The goalie in particular is poor, but the rest are maybe average for this level? I have trouble telling to be honest. I feel like if they had a couple much better players (they don't), then these guys would be decent squad players. Or am I being too harsh on them? 

 

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On my triple threat attempt in Spain I only loaded La Liga and the promoted clubs are always terrible, they have full squads, (no greys) but the players are generally terrible for the division. 

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15 hours ago, Aaron Thornton said:

On my triple threat attempt in Spain I only loaded La Liga and the promoted clubs are always terrible, they have full squads, (no greys) but the players are generally terrible for the division. 

Thanks - that's good to know. So it's most likely related to that. Now I'm wondering whether this is something to avoid or not - I'd like it more realistic, but if it leads to more goals.... 😄

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13 hours ago, Rob said:

Sounds like you had a bit of a glitchy setup Scratch. 

Thanks Rob, it could be because I chose only Serie A. I'm not sure. I'll definitely be back in Italy at some point though, so I'll see then!

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I’ve got a La Liga save from my double trouble career where I only loaded La Liga and I’ve got two more or less full greyed out squads and a few more greyed out players in other teams after 14 and a bit seasons. I’ve also got my fabled number ten save from Italy where I had multiple leagues loaded and there’s only one greyed out player in the whole league after 7 seasons.

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I used a similar system and had world class players throughout on both saves and here’s the average league goal returns;

Spain: 134.8 over 14 seasons (Only one league loaded so loads of greyed out players)

Italy: 131.9 over 7 seasons (Multiple leagues loaded so hardly any greyed out players)

It’s different leagues of course but the returns are similar so I’m not really sure when the game ends up with loads of greyed out players it makes much difference tbh.

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