Help Attributes vs Scout/Coach rating

[Ctof86]

Hi guys,

Long time FM player recently transitioned to mobile.

I’m slightly confused by the Scouts/Coach rating system vs Attributes vs Value/Salary.

To explain further: I have just finished a save as Rangers (Retired after winning the Champions league - LOL) who couldn’t pay the big salaries nor attract the super elite players. So I sent my youth scouts out around the world who brought back their best sub 24 year olds with a potential rating of 4 stars or over. If they had this, and as long as they were under £10m, I signed them and nurtured them to reach their potential over the next few years. This is where Bayern or Chelsea etc come in, offer £80mil and unsettle the player. This is where we part ways and I recycle.

note: About 1 in 15 signings didn’t reach their full 4 star potential. The vast majority did!

However, I have been reading some of the articles on here and the importance of attributes. So I have performed a player search for the potion I want and 13-15 in the key attributes etc and then:

I find a cheap player who’s attributes are AMAZING, scout them and the scout says they’re crap!

Vice versa to this, I have a Nigerian striker in my reserves (Regen/Newgen) who’s attributes are GOD AWFUL and the scouts and coaches rate him at a current of 3 with a potential 4.5. I bought him for £4m, he’s never played a 1st team game and he’s now valued at £30m.

The problem with sending the scouts out is that you don’t know what they will come back with (if anything at all) and I now have an abundance of AMC’s but severely lacking in the GK and WB positions.

im confused as to whether spend the £20m on the player my scout suggests has the potential to be a world class GK. or spend the £500k on the GK who has all the attributes I want but my scout says is a 0.5 star player... this isn’t a one off either. Same thing goes for a winger I want to buy.

 

Help and advice please?

[Manager Temi]

I don't usually follow the stars I look at attributes. But the stars are still helpful. But most of the times the stars are based on performance like I am coaching wolves, jota is 3.5* but in about ten matches his * dropped to 2 but his attributes didn't change. And the press stared complaining about his bad form but he later picked up and went to 4* . So I advice that u buy the keeper with good attributes but poor rating. And the scout bages also matters.

[Ctof86]

2 hours ago, Manager Temi said:

I don't usually follow the stars I look at attributes. But the stars are still helpful. But most of the times the stars are based on performance like I am coaching wolves, jota is 3.5* but in about ten matches his * dropped to 2 but his attributes didn't change. And the press stared complaining about his bad form but he later picked up and went to 4* . So I advice that u buy the keeper with good attributes but poor rating. And the scout bages also matters.

I see that pattern also. I.e. stars moving around etc over the course of a season.

 

To test this, I signed a winger that had excellent attributes for his position but the scouts gave him a PA of 2.5and have tried playing him. He’s not doing a job...yet. So have farmed him out on loan for 1st team football and I’ll see what happens.

 

[Manager Temi]

Can you please send the pictures of the winger and his scouts reports

[Ctof86]

Attached screens of the 2.5 star winger against another winger in my squad at 5 stars.

both have very very similar attributes. I would say though that the Englishman takes it...just.

I wonder what the hidden attributes are like for this guy! They must be god awful?

Can anyone shed any light? I am losing confidence in my scouts/coaches however if you look at AVR’s for them both, they are correct in their assessment of each of their TRUE abilities on the pitch!

 

 

[George Traistă]

The current ability is his current form so can change a lot in short time span depending on his match ratings. Ratings of 6 and below will decrees his current ability and ratings of 8 will increase it.

So looks at his attributes and mostly to his key attributes and history.

Edited September 9, 2020 by George Traistă

[Scratch]

So, the first thing is that the staff's star rating are not accurate at all and often bear little resemblance to a player's true CA/PA. That's on purpose (as the staff won't be 100% right all the time and it's relative to the level you're at), but the implementation is pretty poor and it jumps all over the place depending on things like a just few match ratings.

I pretty much ignore the star ratings and only use them to tell if a player has development potential left (ie difference between CA and PA). That's not perfect either, but generally a gap means there's potential (sometimes the reverse is not true though).

I *think* the comparison to the best player is more accurate, but I've never checked it (might take a look sometime). So if it says Shotton is nowhere near the ability of the best player, but it says Pellestri is, then I think that is likely to be true.

Something I've noticed is that you can get youngsters with a lower PA max out their development fairly quickly compared to better players who may take years to achieve their full potential. That's especially true in 'smaller' teams/leagues. So for Rangers, a PA 140 player might max out quickly, while a PA 180 player might get to PA 140 quickly, but then take 4 more years getting all the way up to 180 (or never actually make it). And because they have another 40 points of development to come, their attribute will still have plenty of room to improve (ie the PA 140 player can look better). So it can be very hard to tell from attributes alone. 

Are attributes more important than CA? Most people around here will say Yes, but that's not definite (or 100% agreed upon). I've seen players with great attributes and low PA do really. I've also seen some do really poorly. But then I've seen players with high PA do poorly too... 

Other signals in the screenshot include the positive/negative messages. World Class players are rarely inconsistent. They are more likely to have the plays well in big games message etc.

So what does it all add up to? Honestly, who knows! 😄 I tend to take the approach of playing them for a bit and keeping them if they do well (for a winger, that means provides assists etc rather than just rating, but that's part of it). 

Sorry, that probably doesn't help much!

[Scratch]

Nah, I dug out an old save to test using the app I'm developing and you can't trust the comparison part either... Here are some egs:

 

Ajer "not as strong as as Ferguson", when he's slightly better CA-wise:

Spoiler

 

Lascelles "nowhere near the ability" of Ferguson despite only being 5 CA/PA lower (see previous spoiler for Ferguson screenshot):

Spoiler

 

Chiellini's regen "unlikely to ever reach" Ferguson's level despite a much higher PA (also note staff only say 2.5 compared to real PA which is much higher):

Spoiler

 

So basically, it's all unreliable, best to rely on their actual performance for you on the pitch.

 

[Adrien]

Ive read that somewhere, the star ratings are related to the quality of your squad in general. This much is true in my gateshead save where practically i only have one player in every position and every first team players star rated 4.5 out of 5. 

[Adoring_Fan]

16 hours ago, Scratch said:

Nah, I dug out an old save to test using the app I'm developing and you can't trust the comparison part either... Here are some egs:

 

Ajer "not as strong as as Ferguson", when he's slightly better CA-wise:

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Lascelles "nowhere near the ability" of Ferguson despite only being 5 CA/PA lower (see previous spoiler for Ferguson screenshot):

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Chiellini's regen "unlikely to ever reach" Ferguson's level despite a much higher PA (also note staff only say 2.5 compared to real PA which is much higher):

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So basically, it's all unreliable, best to rely on their actual performance for you on the pitch.

 

Wow where did you get those screenshots with hidden attributes etc? Those look very useful, never seen it before

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, you said so at the top. Any idea when it will come out? Looks awesome tbh

Edited September 10, 2020 by Adoring_Fan

[Scratch]

34 minutes ago, Adoring_Fan said:

Wow where did you get those screenshots with hidden attributes etc? Those look very useful, never seen it before

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, you said so at the top. Any idea when it will come out? Looks awesome tbh

Taking a lot longer than I thought and I don't have that much time, but it's getting closer. Not quite ready to put a definite time frame on it...

[Adoring_Fan]

9 hours ago, Scratch said:

Taking a lot longer than I thought and I don't have that much time, but it's getting closer. Not quite ready to put a definite time frame on it...

Haha  that's how projects usually turn out, no need to rush it. I for one will be very excited to use it once it comes out. 

I didn't even know you could find the hidden attributes and pa in game. Where can you see them? Or would that spoil your app?

[Scratch]

55 minutes ago, Adoring_Fan said:

Haha  that's how projects usually turn out, no need to rush it. I for one will be very excited to use it once it comes out. 

I didn't even know you could find the hidden attributes and pa in game. Where can you see them? Or would that spoil your app?

Most of the info is somewhere in this very long thread, which covers how to find and change various things using a HEX editor: 

It starts off for FMM18, then 19, then 20. Some of the older stuff still works, some doesn't, but it could be brought up again later in the thread.

I worked out a lot of stuff that's not directly covered in that by using the In Game Editor to make a change and then comparing the save files before and after (with a Hex Editor). That sounds easy, but some bits were almost impossible! And there's plenty I haven't worked out. 

But yeah, that thread is the best place to start, definitely covers CA/PA and I think it covers the hidden attributes. I might write some stuff up at some point, but my notes are all over the place and don't make that much sense to me now!

Edited September 11, 2020 by Scratch

[Adoring_Fan]

2 hours ago, Scratch said:

Most of the info is somewhere in this very long thread, which covers how to find and change various things using a HEX editor: 

It starts off for FMM18, then 19, then 20. Some of the older stuff still works, some doesn't, but it could be brought up again later in the thread.

I worked out a lot of stuff that's not directly covered in that by using the In Game Editor to make a change and then comparing the save files before and after (with a Hex Editor). That sounds easy, but some bits were almost impossible! And there's plenty I haven't worked out. 

But yeah, that thread is the best place to start, definitely covers CA/PA and I think it covers the hidden attributes. I might write some stuff up at some point, but my notes are all over the place and don't make that much sense to me now!

Damn that's amazing, never knew you could uncover so much about the game. Definitely something for people a lot more knowledgeable about computers than me though😂. 

Would love to get into that HEX editing, it really looks fascinating. Very complicated too though