Chat Youth Intake & Assistant Manager

[Nick11]

Youth Intakes that takes place at beginning of every season is affected by the type of assistant manager we have. It's definitely affected by the training facility and youth facilities as it control the attributes of your youth players that are about to be promoted. But Is it affected by type of assistant manager or not ?? That's the question i have. 

Assistant manager have lots of character ( in full fledged version of FM we can check that) which might have effect on the type of youth players you get 🤔

1) Judging PA and CA

2) Personality trait ( Model professional, determined etc)

3) Working with youth etc

 

Case 1

My assistant manager in Wolverhampton save 

 

Youth Products

 

Youth Products when i appointed my fitness coach as my Ass. Man

 

 

 

Case 2 - Manchester United

Ass. Man = Mike Phelan (Motivational Coach)

 

Youth Products

Stats of these players weren't so good as was in wolves case. In the mean time i Will observe more youth intakes with new coaches with different personalities.

Will having a youth coach as ass. Man improve youth intake ??

So what are your thoughts on this? 

Edited September 27, 2020 by Nick11

[Scratch]

I don't think the assistant manager has any effect on the sorts of players that come through in FMM (it's much simpler than the full game) - but then I've never done any testing on that so I could be wrong.

What I have noticed in my testing is that:

• Bigger clubs have a better chance of getting the best regens in that country (might be affected by youth facilities too) 
• Having the top youth facilities means that all your players have good hidden attributes (regardless of their PA).

Would be interesting to do more testing in this space at some point...

[Scratch]

So I don't have time to do much testing right now, but I did a quick test and couldn't find any real patterns. 

I used a top club (Newcastle in 5 years time after they've won the CL):

 

I used 3 different assistant managers:

 

At first I thought Bergkamp's intake were better than Dias' - for eg Dias had this (ie the players aged 16) which is quite poor:

 

Compared to Bergkamp's which was much better:

 

But then I did another one with Dias, and it was much closer to Bergkamp's (ie had a couple of 150+ players in there) and another one with Bergkamp and it wasn't as good as his first (still had one 150+ player). I don't have screenshots for these two as Google Photos helpfully deleted them as duplicates for some reason. 

But then I did one for Kongsri and it turned out like this (for some reason these went into the first team as far as my app is concerned, it's a bit buggy like that):

 

Maybe the coach's quality does have some impact (eg Bergkamp had slightly more top end players and slightly less bottom end players across the test), but a) I don't know what CA/PA any of these AM's have, I'm just assuming Bergkamp's will be high and Kongsri's will be low; and b) this isn't enough testing to really know for sure (ie it could just be random luck how it turned out). But, at this stage I'm guessing any effect the coach has on the quality of player is minimal.

Oh, I only checked one pass each and I don't have screenshots, but I did notice that Dias seemed to produce more players with more green physical attributes than Bergkamp did, so was starting to think there could be something in that, but then I noticed that Kongsri produced just as many as Dias did, despite him not being a Fitness coach and being a Bronze badged coach with Poor aptitude. So once again, I think any effect here is minimal. 

Both of those could use more testing and more scientific methods than this super quick test though. There may indeed be trends there or proof that I didn't see because this was so quick.

 

On my initial points, this was supposed to show that the top clubs are more likely to get the best regens, and it sort of supports that, although it also shows there is definitely some randomness with Doncaster getting a decent player and Man City, Man Utd etc lucking out this year:

 

And this one shows that even poor players get pretty good hidden attributes when they are spawned at a club with top youth facilities:

 

So what does it all mean? Who knows! Definitely would be worth further testing though...

 

[Lautaro Bianchi]

10 hours ago, Scratch said:

So I don't have time to do much testing right now, but I did a quick test and couldn't find any real patterns. 

I used a top club (Newcastle in 5 years time after they've won the CL):

 

I used 3 different assistant managers:

 

At first I thought Bergkamp's intake were better than Dias' - for eg Dias had this (ie the players aged 16) which is quite poor:

 

Compared to Bergkamp's which was much better:

 

But then I did another one with Dias, and it was much closer to Bergkamp's (ie had a couple of 150+ players in there) and another one with Bergkamp and it wasn't as good as his first (still had one 150+ player). I don't have screenshots for these two as Google Photos helpfully deleted them as duplicates for some reason. 

But then I did one for Kongsri and it turned out like this (for some reason these went into the first team as far as my app is concerned, it's a bit buggy like that):

 

Maybe the coach's quality does have some impact (eg Bergkamp had slightly more top end players and slightly less bottom end players across the test), but a) I don't know what CA/PA any of these AM's have, I'm just assuming Bergkamp's will be high and Kongsri's will be low; and b) this isn't enough testing to really know for sure (ie it could just be random luck how it turned out). But, at this stage I'm guessing any effect the coach has on the quality of player is minimal.

Oh, I only checked one pass each and I don't have screenshots, but I did notice that Dias seemed to produce more players with more green physical attributes than Bergkamp did, so was starting to think there could be something in that, but then I noticed that Kongsri produced just as many as Dias did, despite him not being a Fitness coach and being a Bronze badged coach with Poor aptitude. So once again, I think any effect here is minimal. 

Both of those could use more testing and more scientific methods than this super quick test though. There may indeed be trends there or proof that I didn't see because this was so quick.

 

On my initial points, this was supposed to show that the top clubs are more likely to get the best regens, and it sort of supports that, although it also shows there is definitely some randomness with Doncaster getting a decent player and Man City, Man Utd etc lucking out this year:

 

And this one shows that even poor players get pretty good hidden attributes when they are spawned at a club with top youth facilities:

 

So what does it all mean? Who knows! Definitely would be worth further testing though...

 

@Scratch may i ask wich app do you use to watch these stats? Thx

[Nick11]

20 minutes ago, Lautaro Bianchi said:

@Scratch may i ask wich app do you use to watch these stats? Thx

iScout.

Although not available yet. He's still testing it.

[Nick11]

11 hours ago, Scratch said:

So I don't have time to do much testing right now, but I did a quick test and couldn't find any real patterns. 

I used a top club (Newcastle in 5 years time after they've won the CL):

 

I used 3 different assistant managers:

 

At first I thought Bergkamp's intake were better than Dias' - for eg Dias had this (ie the players aged 16) which is quite poor:

 

Compared to Bergkamp's which was much better:

 

But then I did another one with Dias, and it was much closer to Bergkamp's (ie had a couple of 150+ players in there) and another one with Bergkamp and it wasn't as good as his first (still had one 150+ player). I don't have screenshots for these two as Google Photos helpfully deleted them as duplicates for some reason. 

But then I did one for Kongsri and it turned out like this (for some reason these went into the first team as far as my app is concerned, it's a bit buggy like that):

 

Maybe the coach's quality does have some impact (eg Bergkamp had slightly more top end players and slightly less bottom end players across the test), but a) I don't know what CA/PA any of these AM's have, I'm just assuming Bergkamp's will be high and Kongsri's will be low; and b) this isn't enough testing to really know for sure (ie it could just be random luck how it turned out). But, at this stage I'm guessing any effect the coach has on the quality of player is minimal.

Oh, I only checked one pass each and I don't have screenshots, but I did notice that Dias seemed to produce more players with more green physical attributes than Bergkamp did, so was starting to think there could be something in that, but then I noticed that Kongsri produced just as many as Dias did, despite him not being a Fitness coach and being a Bronze badged coach with Poor aptitude. So once again, I think any effect here is minimal. 

Both of those could use more testing and more scientific methods than this super quick test though. There may indeed be trends there or proof that I didn't see because this was so quick.

 

On my initial points, this was supposed to show that the top clubs are more likely to get the best regens, and it sort of supports that, although it also shows there is definitely some randomness with Doncaster getting a decent player and Man City, Man Utd etc lucking out this year:

 

And this one shows that even poor players get pretty good hidden attributes when they are spawned at a club with top youth facilities:

 

So what does it all mean? Who knows! Definitely would be worth further testing though...

 

Wonderful stuff mate. If i had this app i would be doing an extensive search on this topic with various coaches & different training facilities. 

Would be interesting to see the combo of

Excellent coach+ poor facility

Poor coach+ excellent facility

Poor + poor and Excellent+Excellent 

And then analysing the stats(including hidden ones).

[alfredykyk]

On 28/09/2020 at 11:48, Scratch said:

I don't think the assistant manager has any effect on the sorts of players that come through in FMM (it's much simpler than the full game) - but then I've never done any testing on that so I could be wrong.

What I have noticed in my testing is that:

• Bigger clubs have a better chance of getting the best regens in that country (might be affected by youth facilities too) 
• Having the top youth facilities means that all your players have good hidden attributes (regardless of their PA).

Would be interesting to do more testing in this space at some point...

From what I know playing fm20 on epic games after it was released for free, the head of youth development (not in FMM), youth facilities and reputation decide the youth intake quality.

The youth facilities are the 'facilities to train and develop young players before they come into the game'.

Edited October 1, 2020 by alfredykyk