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I'm trying a new challenge with Dortmund and Haaland. 

I've got majority of shots going through to him, but my midfield aren't having much of a impact in a game.

I was wondering if anyone had advice on which midfield roles would be best. 

I've read through the old Lone Striker thread which gave me the idea of having a DLP sat infront of the back three. 

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This is from a recent game, and as you can striker getting most of the shots, so that's not a concern but each midfielder only had 23 passes. 

Is that a issue? 

(I have since dropped one back into DLP - only made slight difference) 

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I don't want the midfield pushing too high so that they steal shots from Haaland, but close enough to thread the ball through to him if that makes sense, so AP/BBM would probably be too attack minded. 

 

Any suggestions are appreciated. 

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You’ll need an AP or RPM though. Your current tactic is lacking creativity. Don’t worry about them scoring a few, Haaland wouldn’t have any problem scoring 80+ goals.

Actually I’ve never used 4-3-3 in strikers goalscoring challenges. Mostly I use something 3 atb formation

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When I did my 1k with Ryan Edmonson last year, I found having a AP in the middle was very important, they’d have there shots, but there creativity was vital, I like BBM or a CM in the middle with them, maybe try, AP and a CM in the middle, also found poacher not as effective as complete forward or advanced forward.

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1 minute ago, RichD said:

When I did my 1k with Ryan Edmonson last year, I found having a AP in the middle was very important, they’d have there shots, but there creativity was vital, I like BBM or a CM in the middle with them, maybe try, AP and a CM in the middle, also found poacher not as effective as complete forward or advanced forward.

Have you tried TM? I used it on my last season Fabio Silva 1k and it works brilliantly. Can’t seems to get any luck with CF or Poacher for me

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3 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Have you tried TM? I used it on my last season Fabio Silva 1k and it works brilliantly. Can’t seems to get any luck with CF or Poacher for me

Yeah I had big success with TM in my double trouble one last year, I haven’t tried it too much in a single striker I always go back to CF or AF, it gives them a bit more freedom, I find if they have good movement, they do really well in them roles. 

As I was typing that, I realised I’m using a single TM in my Wrexham game and it’s going well🤣

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21 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

You’ll need an AP or RPM though. Your current tactic is lacking creativity. Don’t worry about them scoring a few, Haaland wouldn’t have any problem scoring 80+ goals.

Actually I’ve never used 4-3-3 in strikers goalscoring challenges. Mostly I use something 3 atb formation

3atb with wingback pushed up? Or 5 in the midfield. 

I did try something like that, but found I was too open on counter attacks. 

I see what you mean re AP/RPM so going to have a look around see if I can find someone with good passing/creativity/decisions, but no more than 11/12 for shooting, so hopefully more inclined to pass than go for goal. 

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14 minutes ago, Jsavfc said:

3atb with wingback pushed up? Or 5 in the midfield. 

I did try something like that, but found I was too open on counter attacks. 

I see what you mean re AP/RPM so going to have a look around see if I can find someone with good passing/creativity/decisions, but no more than 11/12 for shooting, so hopefully more inclined to pass than go for goal. 

Shooting isn’t the thing, get someone with high teamwork as he would tend to look for a pass more often rather than taking a shot himself

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1 hour ago, Jsavfc said:

3atb with wingback pushed up? Or 5 in the midfield. 

I did try something like that, but found I was too open on counter attacks. 

I see what you mean re AP/RPM so going to have a look around see if I can find someone with good passing/creativity/decisions, but no more than 11/12 for shooting, so hopefully more inclined to pass than go for goal. 

I often use 5 in midfield like the one I used in last year 1k, in my current TT, my Last Dance attempt, they’re all 3atb formation with 5 midfield. I also used 3 atb with IWB pushed up in my for fun Celtics save:

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Would you guys say this is a better set up? Read through a few more 1kc threads and tactic discussions to get an idea. 

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Trying to get the ball through to the AF as quickly as possible, via through the middle or down the wings. 

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5 minutes ago, Jsavfc said:

Would you guys say this is a better set up? Read through a few more 1kc threads and tactic discussions to get an idea. 

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Trying to get the ball through to the AF as quickly as possible, via through the middle or down the wings. 

I like that a lot more mate, one thing I would maybe change is turn early crosses off, I found it better not having either on when I did my 1k, I’d get a lot more assists from my wingers that way. I’ve actually been testing between AF and CF on my Wrexham save and found that CF would actually get more goals and with you having Haaland I’d probably lean towards it 😁

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4 minutes ago, RichD said:

I like that a lot more mate, one thing I would maybe change is turn early crosses off, I found it better not having either on when I did my 1k, I’d get a lot more assists from my wingers that way. I’ve actually been testing between AF and CF on my Wrexham save and found that CF would actually get more goals and with you having Haaland I’d probably lean towards it 😁

Yeah, I had him set as a TM for a few games as read that playing direct, with early crosses works but didn't score in like 4 games for me that way. 

CF more than AF? I suppose the logic works as if your striker is good enough it covers all areas. 

Not sure if this will be my actual 1kc attempt, just chose a big team with money to try and get my tactic sorted. 

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Yeah, I had him set as a TM for a few games as read that playing direct, with early crosses works but didn't score in like 4 games for me that way. 

CF more than AF? I suppose the logic works as if your striker is good enough it covers all areas. 

Not sure if this will be my actual 1kc attempt, just chose a big team with money to try and get my tactic sorted. 

Yeah I’ve never had success with direct or with early crosses myself. But I haven’t tested too much on this years with either of them, so this is mostly going on last year.

I found when I’ve got a striker as CF, if he’s got good movement  he’s got a licence really to do what he likes, I used Ryan Edmonson with Wrexham as a CF and my back up was pretty average and both managed to score more than they played as a CF. They seem to get more chances, but I don’t know if that’s just the tactic I play.

I think a massive thing as well, nothing to do with tactics is training the crossing on your wingers to the max, hard to get great wingers at the start, but you can train some younger ones to 20 😁

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1 hour ago, RichD said:

Yeah I’ve never had success with direct or with early crosses myself. But I haven’t tested too much on this years with either of them, so this is mostly going on last year.

I found when I’ve got a striker as CF, if he’s got good movement  he’s got a licence really to do what he likes, I used Ryan Edmonson with Wrexham as a CF and my back up was pretty average and both managed to score more than they played as a CF. They seem to get more chances, but I don’t know if that’s just the tactic I play.

I think a massive thing as well, nothing to do with tactics is training the crossing on your wingers to the max, hard to get great wingers at the start, but you can train some younger ones to 20 😁

That’s great to hear might actually give it a shot on my TT 

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1 hour ago, Jsavfc said:

Would you guys say this is a better set up? Read through a few more 1kc threads and tactic discussions to get an idea. 

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Trying to get the ball through to the AF as quickly as possible, via through the middle or down the wings. 

Looks great but I prefer to turn off Early Cross and Run At Defence. Works a lot better for me. Probably also use TM I like to use it for lone striker but as @RichD said you can try CF too I haven’t use them yet

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My theory is that TMs will stay in the box more, AFs will spend a fair bit in the box but also drop deeper and be a bit more involved and CFs will do whatever the hell they like! 😄 

I generally use an AF for my 1KCs (including my 2KC in FMM20) and have found that a nice balance for 1 up front. I've also used TMs with great success, but not in a 1 up front role, might be a little static for 1 player. CFs I'm yet to be convinced about, as I've had them drop back too far and assist too much. 

I think it has a fair bit to do with the player. For example, when I used Suarez as a TM he would drop into midfield and get quite a lot of assists, but when I used Kane as a TM, he didn't seem to do that a lot (and I wanted him to in that save). So I changed Kane to a CF and he spend too much time deep. Still didn't get a huge amount of assists, but his goals dropped off. 

I guess it also depends on your tactics etc. I'd probably recommend trying each for 7 or 8 games and seeing which works bets for you. 

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