Chat How do people make tactics for challenges

[Rjgreeno]

Hey guys I’m just wondering how you guys make tactics for the challenges here.

I’d like to get more involved with the challenges but normally I play the game by setting up a tactic that suits the team and slowly improve the team and maybe make a few tactical changes. It’s very hard for me to make tactics where the strikers score lots of goals or midfielders get lots of assists

Any tips would be appreciated 

[JamesVilla]

From my experience its trail and error. 

For example, I'm currently doing the VPL, so the challenge changes every week and you only get 1 attempt. So, I look into the team, check the players, read the rules 😂 and have a base idea in my head how I'm going to set the team up, if after 3/4 games it's not going well, make a few minor adjustments to try and help. 

For the other challenges, like a 1kc, it doesn't matter if you have 10 saves trailing different set ups to see which returns the best results.

Edit - there is a good thread somewhere about building tactic for lone striker, have a read through that and start creating tactics. You soon get to notice which roles are the most effective. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Jsavfc

[Rjgreeno]

@Jsavfc I will have a look for that thread tomorrow 

[Rich]

There is the thread mate, it’s a good read.

The biggest thing I would say is, depending on the challenge and what you need out of players, you just have to really think about what combos and instructions get the best out of certain positions. I always have a career in the background to test things, just fiddle about with things, practice makes perfect 😁

[broodje kip]

12 minutes ago, Rjgreeno said:

@Jsavfc I will have a look for that thread tomorrow 

Here’s it  

[Chris]

It's very much trial and error, but after a while you will see what role combos work well, and which don't.

Personally I use Bayern to test most of my challenge tactics as their squad is really strong and has great depth for testing different roles and positions. I normally choose my formation and player roles first, obviously adjusting to whatever challenge I am attempting. I'll keep my instructions fairly simple to begin with (usually attacking, and Balanced everything else, with no team instructions, mixed passing etc) just to see how the tactic plays out without them and then fine tune it from there every 10 games or so. 

After a while you'll end up with a handful of good tactics that you know work. Then on future FMMs you can trial them and make little tweaks and more often than not they're good to go. This is my first year really going for challenges so I've pretty much started tactics from scratch again though. 

Also, I'm not a tactical genius like most guys on here but if you have a tactic that isn't quite working I'd be quite happy to go through it with you over pm (or on here even) and give some input. Obviously the challenge tactics have to be your own, but people have done the same for me in the past and back then it really helped. @Nucleus helped me to get my first unofficial 1k rolling when I was struggling back in 17 I think it was. 

[broodje kip]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

It's very much trial and error, but after a while you will see what role combos work well, and which don't.

Personally I use Bayern to test most of my challenge tactics as their squad is really strong and has great depth for testing different roles and positions. I normally choose my formation and player roles first, obviously adjusting to whatever challenge I am attempting. I'll keep my instructions fairly simple to begin with (usually attacking, and Balanced everything else, with no team instructions, mixed passing etc) just to see how the tactic plays out without them and then fine tune it from there every 10 games or so. 

After a while you'll end up with a handful of good tactics that you know work. Then on future FMMs you can trial them and make little tweaks and more often than not they're good to go. This is my first year really going for challenges so I've pretty much started tactics from scratch again though. 

Also, I'm not a tactical genius like most guys on here but if you have a tactic that isn't quite working I'd be quite happy to go through it with you over pm (or on here even) and give some input. Obviously the challenge tactics have to be your own, but people have done the same for me in the past and back then it really helped. @Nucleus helped me to get my first unofficial 1k rolling when I was struggling back in 17 I think it was. 

Ah yes another Nucleus fan I see. Too bad his name is now @RichD

[Chris]

1 minute ago, broodje kip said:

Ah yes another Nucleus fan I see. Too bad his name is now @RichD

No way is @RichD nucleus?? 

[broodje kip]

Just now, Chris said:

No way is @RichD nucleus?? 

No he’s not but we love to thing he is.

[Chris]

Just now, broodje kip said:

No he’s not but we love to thing he is.

I see 😂 had me going for a second... 

[Rich]

Richelus at your service 😎

 

[George Traistă]

My advice is to learn what each tactical role is doing and then you can assemble any tactic for any purpose. 

[Rob]

7 hours ago, broodje kip said:

No he’s not but we love to thing he is.

He 100% is.

As for tactics, always think about what you are trying to achieve. You may develop an awesome single striker career, but it won’t nail an awesome ‘MSN Last Dance’ score that requires three strikers to score and assist. 

So, for example, say you want a single striker to score goals you need a formation and instructions to single them out, the tactical roles to provide for them, and the right players to assist them...

...which brings me on to the main thing I always say when people ask about tactics: half the time it’s about the players you use and sign. Take the 1kc single striker example, need players to supplement them. I remember someone on here once trying a 1kc with Lukaku and had Martial and Rashford as wingers. Selling the latter two players, buying proper crossing, movement, and dribbling folk like Dilrosun and Amiri (who at the time was a wonderful winger) and pocketing the profits to strengthen elsewhere would have been far more useful.

 

[broodje kip]

29 minutes ago, Rob said:

He 100% is.

As for tactics, always think about what you are trying to achieve. You may develop an awesome single striker career, but it won’t nail an awesome ‘MSN Last Dance’ score that requires three strikers to score and assist. 

So, for example, say you want a single striker to score goals you need a formation and instructions to single them out, the tactical roles to provide for them, and the right players to assist them...

...which brings me on to the main thing I always say when people ask about tactics: half the time it’s about the players you use and sign. Take the 1kc single striker example, need players to supplement them. I remember someone on here once trying a 1kc with Lukaku and had Martial and Rashford as wingers. Selling the latter two players, buying proper crossing, movement, and dribbling folk like Dilrosun and Amiri (who at the time was a wonderful winger) and pocketing the profits to strengthen elsewhere would have been far more useful.

 

Why’s someone even try to use Lukaku as 1k striker 😂. He must be freaking mad!

[billy2shots]

We also have to address the elephant in the room. 

 

To complete most vibe challenges the actual key to success is finding a weakness / flaw in the match engine and exploiting it. 

I personally don't like playing a style of play that delivers a high number of crosses into the box but watching the AI score from headers regularly with their Target man with 11 in aerial is a bit of a clue. 

The other glaring fact is most of the goal challenges currently in play on here see vibe members choosing strikers with above average aerial stats. Take from that what you will. 

[broodje kip]

9 minutes ago, billy2shots said:

We also have to address the elephant in the room. 

 

To complete most vibe challenges the actual key to success is finding a weakness / flaw in the match engine and exploiting it. 

I personally don't like playing a style of play that delivers a high number of crosses into the box but watching the AI score from headers regularly with their Target man with 11 in aerial is a bit of a clue. 

The other glaring fact is most of the goal challenges currently in play on here see vibe members choosing strikers with above average aerial stats. Take from that what you will. 

Not quite frequently. I remember @Scratch used Unuvar and he got 6 aerial at the start, I’ve used Werner in Augusta with only 11 aerial and he can’t improve it anymore, @Joewins used Rayan Chekri and @Titjes with Mbappe. I think @Ashez did quite a lot 1k without aerial.

To me the most important in completing the 1k or any Vibe goalscoring challenges are to have dedication and never lose hope. A striker can score 50~60 each season and still get 1k if someone willing to take their time and be patient.

[hhooo]

You can still get plenty of headed goals through Aggression, Movement, and Strength even if your Aerial isn't the best!

Aerial is definitely (still) overtuned in game IMO, but there are other ways to get loads of goals. 

[billy2shots]

39 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Not quite frequently. I remember @Scratch used Unuvar and he got 6 aerial at the start, I’ve used Werner in Augusta with only 11 aerial and he can’t improve it anymore, @Joewins used Rayan Chekri and @Titjes with Mbappe. I think @Ashez did quite a lot 1k without aerial.

To me the most important in completing the 1k or any Vibe goalscoring challenges are to have dedication and never lose hope. A striker can score 50~60 each season and still get 1k if someone willing to take their time and be patient.

@Scratch can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he maxed out Unuvar to 20 aerial and likes to rain in crosses. 

 

Perfectly doable to do a 1k without relying on headed goals, I've done about 7 to 10 on vibe with smaller quicker strikers. As have most older Vibe members over the years  Even last year I did my one and only save which included a 1k, a Triple Threat and 3 double troubles all rolled into one save. I think my 3 attackers averaged 13 or 14 in aerial. 

My point was referring to just one example of the match engine exploit but  certainly not the only one. It is however probably the most obvious and easiest thing to exploit. 

[broodje kip]

2 minutes ago, billy2shots said:

@Scratch can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he maxed out Unuvar to 20 aerial and likes to rain in crosses. 

 

Perfectly doable to do a 1k without relying on headed goals, I've done about 7 to 10 on vibe with smaller quicker strikers. As have most older Vibe members over the years  Even last year I did my one and only save which included a 1k, a Triple Threat and 3 double troubles all rolled into one save. I think my 3 attackers averaged 13 or 14 in aerial. 

My point was referring to just one example of the match engine exploit but  certainly not the only one. It is however probably the most obvious and easiest thing to exploit. 

Yeah and I think even after they nerfed the aerial training, it’s still very easy to get 15+ maybe not like before but still quite easy. It’ll be like that unless they change the way we train players 

[Scratch]

5 minutes ago, billy2shots said:

@Scratch can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure he maxed out Unuvar to 20 aerial and likes to rain in crosses. 

Ummm, yeah Unuvar was 6 Aerial at the start, but this was the first version of FMM20, before they squashed the Aerial training bug, so he ended up with 20 Aerial within a couple of seasons. And Vignato got to 20 Crossing and had 1.2K assists. 

I've done plenty of 1KCs with strikers that aren't strong in the air (Armstrong, Pinamonti, Colidio, etc), but there was no way I'd have got Unuvar to 2K or Vignato to 1.2K assist without FMM20 both a) allowing them to train up so quickly and b) reward that combination so much.

I will say that FMM21 makes part a) much much harder. I've gotten Pellegri to 19 Aerial twice, but I haven't gotten any striker to 20 Aerial in FMM21. And I've gotten Daniel James to 20 Crossing, but he's the only one. But you can still score quite a few goals with players who are 15+ in the air. 

I still make use of that a lot, but I have started playing other ways out of necessity with some of the challenges and it's definitely possible to score other ways too. 

[Rjgreeno]

Thanks @RichD and @broodje kip for the link I’ll have a read through 

[Rjgreeno]

11 hours ago, Chris said:

It's very much trial and error, but after a while you will see what role combos work well, and which don't.

I think my issue is I don’t really understand what the roles do. Most of my career end up with a 4-2-3-1 and that wins me a lot of trophies and stuff but for some of the challenges here it’s not good.

 

thanks for the advice on using Bayern I’m going to just mess about with them today and see if anything clicks

[Rjgreeno]

10 hours ago, George Traistă said:

My advice is to learn what each tactical role is doing and then you can assemble any tactic for any purpose. 

Might be a stupid question but how do you actually do this?

[broodje kip]

1 minute ago, Rjgreeno said:

Might be a stupid question but how do you actually do this?

Play on extended highlight and slow speed. If you want to go more in depth, read articles about roles of FM pc version which would help.

[Rjgreeno]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

So, for example, say you want a single striker to score goals you need a formation and instructions to single them out, the tactical roles to provide for them, and the right players to assist them...

I feel I am quite good at finding players that suit my tactic and how I want to play but so far I haven’t found a tactic and instructions that focus on one player but I’m going to try messing about with tactics today

[Rjgreeno]

1 hour ago, billy2shots said:

. Take from that what you will. 

I think this is where I’ll start my experiments thanks

[George Traistă]

5 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Play on extended highlight and slow speed. If you want to go more in depth, read articles about roles of FM pc version which would help.

Yes, how broodje says but first go to a player page, go to training and tap on the focus role and it will have a short description for every tactical role. Read that on all positions before so you will know what to watch for in the extended, it will only take few matches to fully understand

[Rjgreeno]

Thanks @broodje kip and @George Traistă my task for to day is to learn what the rules mean. 
 

also does everyone work out the roles first and then change the instructions or is a mix of both?

[broodje kip]

6 minutes ago, Rjgreeno said:

Thanks @broodje kip and @George Traistă my task for to day is to learn what the rules mean. 
 

also does everyone work out the roles first and then change the instructions or is a mix of both?

I’ll get the roles first then use instructions that complement them

[Chris]

18 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

I’ll get the roles first then use instructions that complement them

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