Tactics 4-3-2-1 (Try if you want)

[Cockers2505]

HI All

I am a veteran when it comes to this game, in regards to age and not how good I am 🤣

I don't really post much these days, I leave it to you young guys who have the time to understand all the ins and outs of the game these days, but I thought this would interest just a few maybe.

I apologies now if it looks like anybody else's, but believe me I just created and then used to the point it worked. I have tried with 4 different teams:

Everton - Wanted to see if I could maintain a good start using it, so start with a good team, but not really getting much done in the first season as it's dominated by the big 4 (probably more if you ask other opinions), who are quite hard to knock off their perch in the first season in Season 2020/2021. I completely changed the team as much as I could buying or swapping players I thought would suit the roles, and then getting freebies to bolster from Injuries or fatigue 

Jiangsu - Why, well because I could and I didn't know who was good and who was bad in the Chinese league, but boy do some give you lot's of money to play with. Again I tried not to waste the chunk on one player, as this would not really add benefit to what I was trying to achieve, so again tried to get players as cheap as, or free that could easily fit the bill, including 40 year old Gomes (GK), I don't know how I ended up buying a young midfielder (Matheus Henrique) for over £9Million?

Barcelona - This was obviously going to be quite easy, especially as Messi and co was still there, but again I wanted to change the whole team (well as much as I needed) to trial the tactic with new blood, so the likes of Pogba, Grealish, Marquinhos and Hulk was brought in, by my main aim was to see if I could get a striker I am not used to, scoring for fun, so I bought Umar Sadiq as his stats looked good for a relatively young guy.

Last but not least, my own Team - Oldham - I always want success with this team, and the Tactic could of gone either way, but a complete overhaul of the team, not a penny spent, I did ok with them, bringing in plenty of players who fit the roles for that division, and some were simply brilliant for what wages I could offer.

SO my aim was to work on players that had Speed, Stamina, and as much I could afford with some of the players in Passing, the rest of the stats were depending on position obviously, Striker I play is a Deep Lying Forward (DLF) so what stats are needed for him, well I didn't really know, I simply worked with the teams I took over, adjusting Roles until they worked, giving myself between 10 and 20 games before starting again if it simply didn't work. 

So again, I have not copied, looked at others, most look the same these days, you can't really not copy so relevance of a formation, but this is solely the decision of my own on Tactics, Formation, and roles, hopefully there will be some will simply say it is good and use it, others will say they have switched this and that, good luck, and others will say it simply doesn't work, well either way good luck to you all if you want to give it a go, or stick with what you know if not...

Tactic: 

Simple enough back 4 with 2 CD (I don't like BPD as I find we concede a lot more) and 2 WB, then 2 AM with a CM in the middle, and then 2 Wingers with pace and crossing, finished with a DLF to score the goals, nothing too complicated.

I went for an attacking Mentality, keeping the Width and Tempo as Balanced and Normal, but keeping the Creativeness as Expressive to try and move the ball better

As for Defence, keep the Line high to try and stop the play in our half, Close everyone All over, keep the yellow and red cards down with Normal tackling, and I found if I use CD, the Offside trap wasn't really my cup of tea, so I switched it off (the might be a mistake, happy for comments).

Lastly Attacking, as I have WB I use the Look for Overlap to keep the attack strong, Work it into the Box as Run at Defence is on so hopefully more in the box to help set up the Striker. I play a more Direct game, as I see more benefit than watching the ball bounce back on forth to the defenders. With some teams, keeping the Mixed on Passing, I find I get more variation, again Short and Centre might benefit the Striker, but not this Tactic. GK keeps it Short, Simple

TEAMS - EVERTON

Came 3rd in my only Season behind Liverpool and Man City (of course it is 2020/21 as I said) 

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JIANGSU - Won the Chinese Super League (I know it's not hard) but as I said tried to not spend to much, again getting most of the Freebies and end of Contract players

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Barcelona - Swapped many players saving lots of money in Transfers, my aim was to see if I could get a relatively unknown Striker (to me anyway) to make it in a team of Super players, and this was obviously Sadiq who eventually went on to score 31 goals in his first season, which is ok (ish)

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Lastly Oldham - The one surprise was the Striker in the DLF role, he scored an amazing 43 goals in 43 games which is unheard for with Oldham (I wish), again I didn't spend a penny, selling everyone as much I could to raise the wage structure.

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Everton was not really a big scoring team, plus I get rid of Dominic Calvert-Lewin and Richarlison, I brought Kean back from Loan and then eventually bought Isak, they did ok, but didn't really get much out of them in the first season, maybe another season might show their full potential.

Any comments as always are welcome, or questions.

 

Edited September 17, 2021 by Cockers2505

[suman]

Left footed wingers on left and right footed on right? 

[Cockers2505]

Actually I play both, so I switch it round as it helps confuse the defence when attacking

[Kavver]

You and me both, regarding the age.

I loved your tactic last year. Just picked fmm again. Why creating a tactic When you already have. Thanks a lot!

I let you know how it goes. 

[scouse_v]

Hi, what was your usual line up in Barca ?

Sadiq

Pavon messi 

Pogba de jong Grealish 

Alba marquinos tianzou emerson 

 

 

[Cockers2505]

Thanks @Kavver hope it works well for you as it did me, please let me know.

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18 hours ago, Kavver said:

You and me both, regarding the age.

I loved your tactic last year. Just picked fmm again. Why creating a tactic When you already have. Thanks a lot!

I let you know how it goes. 

Thanks @Kavver hope it works well for you as it did me, please let me know.

[Cockers2505]

8 hours ago, scouse_v said:

Hi, what was your usual line up in Barca ?

Sadiq

Pavon messi 

Pogba de jong Grealish 

Alba marquinos tianzou emerson 

 

 

Hi @scouse_v apologies didn't see your question

Yes exactly what you said above, except Hulk played a lot on the right and Valvarde played the CM role

In defence I used marquinos and Araujo mostly together with Umtiti and Pique covering when fatigue came a problem

[scouse_v]

7 hours ago, Cockers2505 said:

Hi @scouse_v apologies didn't see your question

Yes exactly what you said above, except Hulk played a lot on the right and Valvarde played the CM role

In defence I used marquinos and Araujo mostly together with Umtiti and Pique covering when fatigue came a problem

Thanks for answering my query. 

I am trying this tactic in the Spanish league, with Real Madrid and in English league, with Spurs - have made similar transfers - lets see how it goes. 

[Cockers2505]

I did another Season with Barca to see how Sadiq would get on, he isn't as prolific as I expected

History - Not bad a full season unbeaten and only conceding 12 goals.

Only 1 loss after 2 seasons must say something about the Tactic, even if it is Barca???

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Transfers

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Stats for the Players

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Sadiq  - Not exactly winning many trophies with his Goal stats, maybe give him one more season to see if he improves, not really expecting a 100 goal player!!!!!

[Cockers2505]

On 23/09/2021 at 05:59, scouse_v said:

Thanks for answering my query. 

I am trying this tactic in the Spanish league, with Real Madrid and in English league, with Spurs - have made similar transfers - lets see how it goes. 

How you getting in with it mate

[scouse_v]

On 27/09/2021 at 14:33, Cockers2505 said:

How you getting in with it mate

Hi @Cockers2505, 

So I started my career with spurs but abandoned it soon as I just got bored. Instead I tried the tactic in Germany with Bayern. 

Here are the screenshots of my first season. 

In all honesty I was thinking ill score >50 goals with lewandowski given the wholesome stats he has but could manage 36 goals, which is decent. 

Overall it was a fun career where. I also got veterans like Hulk and Dani alves. 

I'll try this in the Italian league now. Let's see. Maybe with Ac Milan.  

[Cockers2505]

1 hour ago, scouse_v said:

Hi @Cockers2505, 

So I started my career with spurs but abandoned it soon as I just got bored. Instead I tried the tactic in Germany with Bayern. 

Here are the screenshots of my first season. 

In all honesty I was thinking ill score >50 goals with lewandowski given the wholesome stats he has but could manage 36 goals, which is decent. 

Overall it was a fun career where. I also got veterans like Hulk and Dani alves. 

I'll try this in the Italian league now. Let's see. Maybe with Ac Milan.  

Hi @scouse_v thanks for letting me know, I guess you was successful in the League though? 

 

I am trying it with Liverpool at the moment, with a young Striker called Dusan Vlahovic who scored 31 out of 33 games in another save, so I will see how I get on, but I think I am 23 games in unbeaten in the league, with 1 loss int he Group stage of the Champions league so doing ok, I know Liverpool area  strong side, but maybe the DLF is not equipped as a high scoring striker, maybe back to the drawing board on that part?

[scouse_v]

18 hours ago, Cockers2505 said:

Hi @scouse_v thanks for letting me know, I guess you was successful in the League though? 

 

I am trying it with Liverpool at the moment, with a young Striker called Dusan Vlahovic who scored 31 out of 33 games in another save, so I will see how I get on, but I think I am 23 games in unbeaten in the league, with 1 loss int he Group stage of the Champions league so doing ok, I know Liverpool area  strong side, but maybe the DLF is not equipped as a high scoring striker, maybe back to the drawing board on that part?

Oh I think I missed attaching the overview screenshot - so we manage to win all the domestic trophies but I got knocked out of UCL in Ro16 by inter - a dull tie honestly where despite a strong lineup my team didn't respond to the deficit and unfortunately losing the tie. 

In between there were long unbeaten runs - but I had my share of losing games, both in league and CL - which I'd blame the fatigue or overrun of fixtures since Bayern also had the club word cup fixtures in between. 

I am looking forward to the see your attempt with Liverpool - I myself being a fan of them - hoping to try with them or some English team once I am done with Ac Milan. 

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[scouse_v]

6 minutes ago, scouse_v said:

Oh I think I missed attaching the overview screenshot - so we manage to win all the domestic trophies but I got knocked out of UCL in Ro16 by inter - a dull tie honestly where despite a strong lineup my team didn't respond to the deficit and unfortunately losing the tie. 

In between there were long unbeaten runs - but I had my share of losing games, both in league and CL - which I'd blame the fatigue or overrun of fixtures since Bayern also had the club word cup fixtures in between. 

I am looking forward to the see your attempt with Liverpool - I myself being a fan of them - hoping to try with them or some English team once I am done with Ac Milan. 

@Cockers2505

[Watchhands]

That's one weird 4321. But eh,looks good enough

[Cockers2505]

4 hours ago, Watchhands said:

That's one weird 4321. But eh,looks good enough

but it works, every team I have tried it with it seems to be very successful, I might have to think about the Forwards role, they score ok, but not as much as I would like 

[scouse_v]

Got done with my Ac Milan career! Tactic worked well for me - performed well in league only losing it to Juventus by a point. 

Won the Europa league quite handsomely. Interesting thing was to see Zlatan rediscover his youth and score like crazy 20+ goals which is quite decent given his age and stats. 

So, in his case the DLF position worked. 

Overall the tactic really works with the kind of players it demands and not just any player. So like you mentioned in your write up, the players certainly require to have good stats in their respective position to perform with this tactic and get results. 

Will give it a shot in the English/ Spanish league and see how it goes. 

[Cockers2505]

On 02/10/2021 at 17:17, scouse_v said:

Got done with my Ac Milan career! Tactic worked well for me - performed well in league only losing it to Juventus by a point. 

Won the Europa league quite handsomely. Interesting thing was to see Zlatan rediscover his youth and score like crazy 20+ goals which is quite decent given his age and stats. 

So, in his case the DLF position worked. 

Overall the tactic really works with the kind of players it demands and not just any player. So like you mentioned in your write up, the players certainly require to have good stats in their respective position to perform with this tactic and get results. 

Will give it a shot in the English/ Spanish league and see how it goes. 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks good mate and for a 39 year old 20+ goals is a good season

[scouse_v]

18 hours ago, Cockers2505 said:

Looks good mate and for a 39 year old 20+ goals is a good season

Thanks for checking out. 

How is the tactic going with Liverpool? 

[Cockers2505]

8 hours ago, scouse_v said:

Thanks for checking out. 

How is the tactic going with Liverpool? 

Hi Mate, so I have done 2 seasons to see if I can get the young striker to score using either DLF, or i'm trying a CF for the second season

Season 1

Did ok, was disappointed at the 2 losses, Man City and Man Utd which coming from Oldham I hated, grew up with everyone being either through school days!!!!

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Season 2 - I did half a season on Overload, which went better than expected

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Striker - Dusan Vlahovic

 

[scouse_v]

On 05/10/2021 at 03:00, Cockers2505 said:

Hi Mate, so I have done 2 seasons to see if I can get the young striker to score using either DLF, or i'm trying a CF for the second season

Season 1

Did ok, was disappointed at the 2 losses, Man City and Man Utd which coming from Oldham I hated, grew up with everyone being either through school days!!!!

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Season 2 - I did half a season on Overload, which went better than expected

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Striker - Dusan Vlahovic

 

Hi Mate, thanks for sharing your progress. And, wow! that is some drastic improvement in the number of goals scored. Especially the second season. Looks good. Maybe I'll try this in my PSG save. Just wondering what all transfers did you make? or did you stick with the same team most of the season? 

[Cockers2505]

1 hour ago, scouse_v said:

Hi Mate, thanks for sharing your progress. And, wow! that is some drastic improvement in the number of goals scored. Especially the second season. Looks good. Maybe I'll try this in my PSG save. Just wondering what all transfers did you make? or did you stick with the same team most of the season? 

I bought and sold quite a few to be truthful but more in the second season, if is worth it I'll sell them for the right money, especially if they are 29+ because once they got 30 their value drops considerably if you don't constantly play them

[suman]

@Cockers2505 What role are you using now?  DLF or CF? 

[Cockers2505]

46 minutes ago, suman said:

@Cockers2505 What role are you using now?  DLF or CF? 

HI mate, I am currently using both, if I kick off with the DLF, if the score is good, I leave it, if it is not going so well, I change it to CF in the second half to see if I can pinch a goal with the Striker basically not defending but more wandering around looking for chances, 9 out of 10 I get the goal or goals, other times it fails miserably 

[suman]

@Cockers2505 Using your tactic.Wingers scoring a lot but my forward is struggling to score.

[suman]

Sadly it doesn't work with my team.. Had a fantastic start to the season but it gone bad to worse.my striker(with good pace aerial creativity teamwork)  scored only 15 goals (8 scored from penalty).

I will try with another team.

[Cockers2505]

19 hours ago, suman said:

Sadly it doesn't work with my team.. Had a fantastic start to the season but it gone bad to worse.my striker(with good pace aerial creativity teamwork)  scored only 15 goals (8 scored from penalty).

I will try with another team.

Maybe the DLF or CF is not for the team. I manager to score 32 in 34 with a player who was 32 year old, so it depends on the players I guess like all tactics

[Kavver]

Hi @Cockers2505

sorry for the late reply. The tactic was brilliant. I actually won chl with Vitesse.

unfortunate I don’t have any screenshots. You have to take my word 😊
 

I haven’t played FM22 yet. But I’ll try this tactic and see how it goes.

[Cockers2505]

5 hours ago, Kavver said:

Hi @Cockers2505

sorry for the late reply. The tactic was brilliant. I actually won chl with Vitesse.

unfortunate I don’t have any screenshots. You have to take my word 😊
 

I haven’t played FM22 yet. But I’ll try this tactic and see how it goes.

Hi Mate

Thanks for the update, Iam giving it a go now on FMM22, I will see how it goes , my first season starting with Curzon Ashton in Non league

[Kavver]

It didnt really work for me on FM22.

Tried to tweak it and ended up with something totally different. It works okay but not like this did.