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Hello everyone, I would like you to give me some tips on how to create a tactic and formation according to my team and the skills of each player.

How to use the analysis of technical assistants and etc 

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12 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Which team are you using? People could give more practical examples then ...

i'm in Gangwon FC of South Korea

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1 hour ago, EsakaForever97 said:

i'm in Gangwon FC of South Korea

Great. Can you share what you already know / have researched / have tried ... then we can build on that.

Either you can just share, or there’s some example questions below which you can answer instead if you wish... if you don’t know the answer to one or two, that’s fine, I / we can fill in the gaps for you afterwards.

Cheers, Dan

PS. Other Vibe players - feel free to also ask / contribute 🙂 

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Guiding Questions:

Note - Many Vibe players would probably sell/buy players to fit the tactical style they want.

However IF you are going to do the opposite, and setup a tactical style based on the players you already have, then hopefully these questions gives you a start:

  • opposition - how do the other S. Korean teams play - e.g. mostly 442, 41221, or three at the back ... ?
  • opposition strengths - what’s the average aerial / pace of the opposition DCs + STs in your league? - this gives you an idea whether you aerial 14 striker, 11 pace is going to be good enough.
  • your stars - who are your star players + what are their strengths? - e.g. the ex-Fulham striker Islamovic who is best in the air, but not that fast + a Busquets-like midfielder Hook-Young who can pass well, but isn’t creative.
  • your tactics - when you setup a new tactic, what styles + formations does your assistant suggest? Do they make sense to you / do they fit the players you have? - e.g. they recommend a 5221, but you’ve got no good wingbacks = 😞 
  • your squad - on your team strengths / weaknesses page + squad dynamics page, what is your team good / weak at? E.g. if your team is good at passing, but slow, weak + has reduced  pressing, then a slow tiki-taka is better than a Gengenpress style.
  • transfers - are there any stars who you can sign (+ afford?!) which would change the way you setup - e.g. a 15 pace, 15 shooting free transfer for £8k/wk?!

 

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PS. You should be able to find a good guide elsewhere by googling something like “Football manager guide to creating a tactic around my players“ but am still happy to discuss it here with you 

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34 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

PS. You should be able to find a good guide elsewhere by googling something like “Football manager guide to creating a tactic around my players“ but am still happy to discuss it here with you 

first thank you very much for your help. in South Korea most of the teams I face play with a 5-2-2-1 congesting the midfield and with a target man. There are three specific teams Ulsan, Suwon bluewings and Jeonbuk FC that are extremely overpowers, as they always dominate their team and the other teams play on the counterattack almost always.

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Fantastic. You can see my thoughts below.

Remember you asked about building your tactic around your existing players + using your staff’s reports - so that’s what I’m answering.

Thoughts? 
Dan

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A. Opposition:

Spoiler
  • Formations = As you said, most teams in Korea play with three at the back - with a 5122, 5212 or 5221 formation - so they’re weaker down the flanks but strong down the middle. Individual teams are an exception + play with a 41221, 4231 or 442.
  • Defenders = their DCs roughly average 10-14 aerial (with a few star DCs higher), 11-15 strength, and maybe 8-13 pace ... these are the numbers your ST would “need to beat”. 
     
  • Wing Backs = how fast & good are the opposition wing backs? Are yours better or worse?
     
  • Strikers = how fast or good aerially are the opposition strikers? Are they better / worse than your centre backs? 
     

B. Your Players

Spoiler

Striker

  • your main ST is a new signing Islamovic
  • With 14 aerial, 14 strength, only 11 pace - He’s better in the air than 60-80% opposition DCs, but just as slow as most DCs.
  • If you have mid-table ambitions, your ST is suited to an aerial game, but not a through ball / pace game.

Midfield 

  • Your best midfielder is Hook-Young, who is like Leon Brittan for Swansea
  • good passing (15?) but low creativity (8?) - Is suited to a passing game through the middle, but without expecting him to play lots of creative through balls / killer passes.

C. Staff Reports 

Spoiler

Your staff reports gives you two decent options.. a “wing-play” style (to your ‘aerially strong’ ST) or a “control possession” style (through your ‘good passing’ midfielder)

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Wing Play:

  • As the most opponents play a 5221 / 5212 variant - you’ll get killed down the middle of you play a 442 / 424. Not recommended.
  • The 41221 is a more solid recommendation - overloading your flanks + having three central midfielders in the middle.
  • To support this wide play style, the staff report recommends playing wider, with a faster tempo, and with attacking full backs who overlap.
  • The aim is to supply crosses to your aerial ST.
  • The question is whether you have good enough wingers + full backs? If you go with this option, do you need a new winger / full back?
  • While it’s not in the staff report, I’d be tempted to try this with a 3142, or 31411 (with a SS + TM) - as would crowd out the middle + give supply to your (defensive?) wingers.

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Control Possession

  • This is recommended by your staff due to your teams good passing abilities.
  • The staff report recommends either a 41221 (same as wing play style above) OR a 5221 - which is very similar to what many of your opponents play.
  • It suggests slow + short passing which apparently suits your squad.
  • BUT it also suggests high pressing - which won’t be very effective according to your squad dynamics 😞 
  • Again id also think about a 3142 or 31411 - as it dominates the center to give many passing options 
  • You may need a new ST for this style - as the question is: how will you score goals?!

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Other styles aren’t recommended / and your staff explain why

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Edit - here’s the screenshot showing your side has “reduced pressing” due to low work rate. Though it may not be for your first team members, it’s true for your overall squad.

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Will summarise what I think your options are.

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13 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Fantastic. You can see my thoughts below.

Remember you asked about building your tactic around your existing players + using your staff’s reports - so that’s what I’m answering.

Thoughts? 
Dan

——

A. Opposition:

  Reveal hidden contents
  • Formations = As you said, most teams in Korea play with three at the back - with a 5122, 5212 or 5221 formation - so they’re weaker down the flanks but strong down the middle. Individual teams are an exception + play with a 41221, 4231 or 442.
  • Defenders = their DCs roughly average 10-14 aerial (with a few star DCs higher), 11-15 strength, and maybe 8-13 pace ... these are the numbers your ST would “need to beat”. 
     
  • Wing Backs = how fast & good are the opposition wing backs? Are yours better or worse?
     
  • Strikers = how fast or good aerially are the opposition strikers? Are they better / worse than your centre backs? 
     

B. Your Players

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Striker

  • your main ST is a new signing Islamovic
  • With 14 aerial, 14 strength, only 11 pace - He’s better in the air than 60-80% opposition DCs, but just as slow as most DCs.
  • If you have mid-table ambitions, your ST is suited to an aerial game, but not a through ball / pace game.

Midfield 

  • Your best midfielder is Hook-Young, who is like Leon Brittan for Swansea
  • good passing (15?) but low creativity (8?) - Is suited to a passing game through the middle, but without expecting him to play lots of creative through balls / killer passes.


C. Staff Reports 

  Reveal hidden contents

Your staff reports gives you two decent options.. a “wing-play” style (to your ‘aerially strong’ ST) or a “control possession” style (through your ‘good passing’ midfielder)

C3976045-D7CB-4FC0-BCCC-A9C56BF0424D.thumb.jpeg.d28ed5190719cd9ebce7b4d59c162e9a.jpeg

Wing Play:

  • As the most opponents play a 5221 / 5212 variant - you’ll get killed down the middle of you play a 442 / 424. Not recommended.
  • The 41221 is a more solid recommendation - overloading your flanks + having three central midfielders in the middle.
  • To support this wide play style, the staff report recommends playing wider, with a faster tempo, and with attacking full backs who overlap.
  • The aim is to supply crosses to your aerial ST.
  • The question is whether you have good enough wingers + full backs? If you go with this option, do you need a new winger / full back?
  • While it’s not in the staff report, I’d be tempted to try this with a 3142, or 31411 (with a SS + TM) - as would crowd out the middle + give supply to your (defensive?) wingers.

DAF197C4-3787-4D9E-8FB5-39FC3F080B9D.thumb.jpeg.7f44fd0a1ea8e364347536b65e7ada59.jpeg

Control Possession

  • This is recommended by your staff due to your teams good passing abilities.
  • The staff report recommends either a 41221 (same as wing play style above) OR a 5221 - which is very similar to what many of your opponents play.
  • It suggests slow + short passing which apparently suits your squad.
  • BUT it also suggests high pressing - which won’t be very effective according to your squad dynamics 😞 
  • Again id also think about a 3142 or 31411 - as it dominates the center to give many passing options 
  • You may need a new ST for this style - as the question is: how will you score goals?!

362A3EC4-61A1-48B9-8296-F35A041802B3.thumb.jpeg.bdf27552475948fe5ee956a9925d5fa1.jpeg

Other styles aren’t recommended / and your staff explain why

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Next

Will summarise what I think your options are.

I also need help if you would be willing to help me I would appreciate it so much mate! I’m managing my club Forest atm but I just can’t seem to find a tactic that works. I know that we have good fast wingers and wingbacks but I can’t really make any tactics that seem to work so any help would be nice. Thanks for reading!

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2 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Fantastic. You can see my thoughts below.

Remember you asked about building your tactic around your existing players + using your staff’s reports - so that’s what I’m answering.

Thoughts? 
Dan

——

A. Opposition:

  Reveal hidden contents
  • Formations = As you said, most teams in Korea play with three at the back - with a 5122, 5212 or 5221 formation - so they’re weaker down the flanks but strong down the middle. Individual teams are an exception + play with a 41221, 4231 or 442.
  • Defenders = their DCs roughly average 10-14 aerial (with a few star DCs higher), 11-15 strength, and maybe 8-13 pace ... these are the numbers your ST would “need to beat”. 
     
  • Wing Backs = how fast & good are the opposition wing backs? Are yours better or worse?
     
  • Strikers = how fast or good aerially are the opposition strikers? Are they better / worse than your centre backs? 
     

B. Your Players

  Reveal hidden contents

Striker

  • your main ST is a new signing Islamovic
  • With 14 aerial, 14 strength, only 11 pace - He’s better in the air than 60-80% opposition DCs, but just as slow as most DCs.
  • If you have mid-table ambitions, your ST is suited to an aerial game, but not a through ball / pace game.

Midfield 

  • Your best midfielder is Hook-Young, who is like Leon Brittan for Swansea
  • good passing (15?) but low creativity (8?) - Is suited to a passing game through the middle, but without expecting him to play lots of creative through balls / killer passes.

C. Staff Reports 

  Reveal hidden contents

Your staff reports gives you two decent options.. a “wing-play” style (to your ‘aerially strong’ ST) or a “control possession” style (through your ‘good passing’ midfielder)

C3976045-D7CB-4FC0-BCCC-A9C56BF0424D.thumb.jpeg.d28ed5190719cd9ebce7b4d59c162e9a.jpeg

Wing Play:

  • As the most opponents play a 5221 / 5212 variant - you’ll get killed down the middle of you play a 442 / 424. Not recommended.
  • The 41221 is a more solid recommendation - overloading your flanks + having three central midfielders in the middle.
  • To support this wide play style, the staff report recommends playing wider, with a faster tempo, and with attacking full backs who overlap.
  • The aim is to supply crosses to your aerial ST.
  • The question is whether you have good enough wingers + full backs? If you go with this option, do you need a new winger / full back?
  • While it’s not in the staff report, I’d be tempted to try this with a 3142, or 31411 (with a SS + TM) - as would crowd out the middle + give supply to your (defensive?) wingers.

DAF197C4-3787-4D9E-8FB5-39FC3F080B9D.thumb.jpeg.7f44fd0a1ea8e364347536b65e7ada59.jpeg

Control Possession

  • This is recommended by your staff due to your teams good passing abilities.
  • The staff report recommends either a 41221 (same as wing play style above) OR a 5221 - which is very similar to what many of your opponents play.
  • It suggests slow + short passing which apparently suits your squad.
  • BUT it also suggests high pressing - which won’t be very effective according to your squad dynamics 😞 
  • Again id also think about a 3142 or 31411 - as it dominates the center to give many passing options 
  • You may need a new ST for this style - as the question is: how will you score goals?!

362A3EC4-61A1-48B9-8296-F35A041802B3.thumb.jpeg.bdf27552475948fe5ee956a9925d5fa1.jpeg

Other styles aren’t recommended / and your staff explain why

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Edit - here’s the screenshot showing your side has “reduced pressing” due to low work rate. Though it may not be for your first team members, it’s true for your overall squad.

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Will summarise what I think your options are.

thank you so much for the analysis mate. I'll try to create a tactic taking these points into consideration and keep you updated here, ok? and if you want to add anything else feel free

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Your Options

In FMM you can always create your own tactic + buy / sell players to meet that tactic.

However if you’re going to rely on your existing players, then this is what your staff reports recommend... 
 

Option 1: Wing Play

This involves your wingers + full backs putting plenty of crosses into the box - for an aerially strong ST to score.

Probably you’d go for a 41221 or a 31411 formation. You need the 3-4 central midfielders to ensure you don’t get beaten up by oppositions 5221 formations, but you keep 2 wingers and at least 1 TM upfront.

This probably would get you a mid-table position - as your 14 aerial, 14 strength ST should beat half of the opposition team’s DCs, but will struggle against some teams who have towering DCs.

  • Target Man - you could bring in a new + better aerial threat up front - there are a couple of 15 aerial, 15 strength strikers available on a free transfer.

Your problem here is with your wingers + your full backs.

  • Left Flank - you’ve got some decent options - Tsvetanov has 14 pace + 12 crossing / dribbling / movement - which isn’t bad 🙂 

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  • Right Wing - this is your weak flank, with Chang-Moo having only 10 pace + is technically limited - so is unlikely to beat most opposition full backs.
  • Your DR is similarly unsuited to this style - with Ji-Hoon unable to cross (just an 8)!

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I’d definitely consider bringing in either a new right winger (Mbebgue below is available on a free transfer - 14 pace, 13 crossing, 13 dribbling) ...

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... or bringing in a new AMR / Inside Forward, preferably left-footed, who can play as an IF - so the crosses come from the left hand side + you have a TM and this new IF to get on the end of them. 
 

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Will post option 2 tomorrow! 

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Your Options

In FMM you can always create your own tactic + buy / sell players to meet that tactic.

However if you’re going to rely on your existing players, then this is what your staff reports recommend... 
 

Option 1: Wing Play

This involves your wingers + full backs putting plenty of crosses into the box - for an aerially strong ST to score.

Probably you’d go for a 41221 or a 31411 formation. You need the 3-4 central midfielders to ensure you don’t get beaten up by oppositions 5221 formations, but you keep 2 wingers and at least 1 TM upfront.

This probably would get you a mid-table position - as your 14 aerial, 14 strength ST should beat half of the opposition team’s DCs, but will struggle against some teams who have towering DCs.

  • Target Man - you could bring in a new + better aerial threat up front - there are a couple of 15 aerial, 15 strength strikers available on a free transfer.

Your problem here is with your wingers + your full backs.

  • Left Flank - you’ve got some decent options - Tsvetanov has 14 pace + 12 crossing / dribbling / movement - which isn’t bad 🙂 

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  • Right Wing - this is your weak flank, with Chang-Moo having only 10 pace + is technically limited - so is unlikely to beat most opposition full backs.
  • Your DR is similarly unsuited to this style - with Ji-Hoon unable to cross (just an 8)!

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I’d definitely consider bringing in either a new right winger (Mbebgue below is available on a free transfer - 14 pace, 13 crossing, 13 dribbling) ...

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... or bringing in a new AMR / Inside Forward, preferably left-footed, who can play as an IF - so the crosses come from the left hand side + you have a TM and this new IF to get on the end of them. 
 

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Will post option 2 tomorrow! 

Thanks mate, i'll be waiting for the other option

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Option 2: Control Possession

This involves your whole team putting plenty of passes together to control possession. 

You can either aim for Option 2a - a sideways, sterile, deep, slow, cautious passing style, which aims to keep possession for as long as possible, so that the opponents have less scoring opportunities:

Spoiler
  • this is like Swansea (Swansea-lona!) in the premier league 10-15 (?) years ago
  • this suits your limited squad - as they are relatively good passers, but lack the ability to make incisive passes.
  • defensively this should be good, but am not sure how you will score goals!

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... or Option 2b - a more incisive, creative, attacking passing style - probably with either an pacy IF or ST running into through balls.

There are two problems with option 2b:

Spoiler
  • No Playmaker - you don’t have a creative passer who can play lots of through balls / killer balls. Either you use star midfielder Hook-Young (passing 15 👍- creativity 8 👎) or you being in someone new. 
  • No pacy IF / ST - you also don’t have a striker who can out-pace the opposition DCs + runs into the channels. Your new ST has only 11 pace, which is roughly the same as the league’s opposition DCs. There are options available on a free transfer - including these two guys ...

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With both options 2a + 2b, your team will probably struggle with the existing players, perhaps a top-half league finish would be considered “good”.

Formations:

  • If you implemented this ‘possession style’ - your staff recommend either a 41221 or a 5221 formation.
  • I’d recommend you also consider a 5311 (one of the AMs brought back to the MC position) or a personal favourite the 3142 / 31411 with an AMC/AP - see image below.
  • Whatever formation you play, you probably need a new pacy ST. 

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Summary

Most Vibe players would probably rebuild the squad to fit their own tactic. 

However if you’re going to use the existing squad, then your staff reports recommend two different styles - which I think gives you three different options...

Spoiler
  • Option 1 - Wing Play - providing many crosses from the flanks to your ‘aerially strong‘ target man. This is ok for your current squad, but you may want a new AMR
  • Option 2a - Cautious Possession - dominating the ball, but without doing much with it. This suits your current squad, will be defensively sound (as you have the ball!), but I don’t know how you’ll score goals.
  • Option 2b - Attacking Possession - dominating the ball, with lots of through balls / killer passes. This should be more offensively effective than option 2a, but you’ll need a new pacy Striker + maybe a more creative midfield playmaker.

 
Other Thoughts

Your staff say your squad lacks pace, stamina, and work rate. So some other styles are not suited to your squad - like gengenpressing. 

Some other tactics would probably work, but were not mentioned by your staff - for example a deep, counter attacking 5122 formation with long balls to your Target Man, with a fast (new?!) Poacher. That would probably work, but doesn’t suit your existing squad that well (you don’t have that type of Poacher!), so they didn’t recommend it.
 

Next Steps

If something here is interesting, test it out, watch the extended highlights + tweak it 🙂 see what works + what doesn’t 🙂 adapt accordingly 😀

This was much longer than I expected (as I enjoyed it!) - but hope it was useful. 
 

What do YOU think? 
 

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17 hours ago, Forest are magic said:

I also need help if you would be willing to help me I would appreciate it so much mate! I’m managing my club Forest atm but I just can’t seem to find a tactic that works. I know that we have good fast wingers and wingbacks but I can’t really make any tactics that seem to work so any help would be nice. Thanks for reading!

Hiya - sounds interesting - why don’t you start a new forum post:

  1. explain what has worked / not worked for you so far,
  2. describe the problem you’d like Vibers to solve - e.g. score more? Or concede less? Or transfer suggestions?, and
  3. include lots of screenshots with some descriptions / your thoughts - e.g. your best players strengths / weaknesses, your staffs reports, your league position / performance so far ...

... then let’s see what the community (inc. me) says! 🙂 

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20 hours ago, Forest are magic said:

I also need help if you would be willing to help me I would appreciate it so much mate! I’m managing my club Forest atm but I just can’t seem to find a tactic that works. I know that we have good fast wingers and wingbacks but I can’t really make any tactics that seem to work so any help would be nice. Thanks for reading!

If you want to see how another Forest fan won the Championship, then here’s his tactic + formation!

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Summary

Most Vibe players would probably rebuild the squad to fit their own tactic. 

However if you’re going to use the existing squad, then your staff reports recommend two different styles - which I think gives you three different options...

  Reveal hidden contents
  • Option 1 - Wing Play - providing many crosses from the flanks to your ‘aerially strong‘ target man. This is ok for your current squad, but you may want a new AMR
  • Option 2a - Cautious Possession - dominating the ball, but without doing much with it. This suits your current squad, will be defensively sound (as you have the ball!), but I don’t know how you’ll score goals.
  • Option 2b - Attacking Possession - dominating the ball, with lots of through balls / killer passes. This should be more offensively effective than option 2a, but you’ll need a new pacy Striker + maybe a more creative midfield playmaker.

 
Other Thoughts

Your staff say your squad lacks pace, stamina, and work rate. So some other styles are not suited to your squad - like gengenpressing. 

Some other tactics would probably work, but were not mentioned by your staff - for example a deep, counter attacking 5122 formation with long balls to your Target Man, with a fast (new?!) Poacher. That would probably work, but doesn’t suit your existing squad that well (you don’t have that type of Poacher!), so they didn’t recommend it.
 

Next Steps

If something here is interesting, test it out, watch the extended highlights + tweak it 🙂 see what works + what doesn’t 🙂 adapt accordingly 😀

This was much longer than I expected (as I enjoyed it!) - but hope it was useful. 
 

What do YOU think? 
 

the texts were long, but they were an excellent read bro, I'm going to try to create a tactic that is ball touch and try to make some signings, especially in midfield, to get jeep the possession of the ball.

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5 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Hiya - sounds interesting - why don’t you start a new forum post:

  1. explain what has worked / not worked for you so far,
  2. describe the problem you’d like Vibers to solve - e.g. score more? Or concede less? Or transfer suggestions?, and
  3. inclua muitas capturas de tela com algumas descrições / seus pensamentos - por exemplo, os pontos fortes / fracos de seus melhores jogadores, relatórios de sua equipe, sua posição / desempenho na liga até agora ...

... então vamos ver o que a comunidade (inclusive eu) diz!🙂 

Dan when you can can you help me with this tactic I made? test it and see if there is anything to be improved or changed. 

The idea of the tactic is to be a tactic of fast and involving ball touches to put our striker or midfielders face to face with the opposition goalkeeper.Screenshot_20220411-064552.thumb.png.ebd020169815c519970bf47d3004b603.pngScreenshot_20220411-064618.thumb.png.70733c7b0d3d3c30d5e9a9985956bdc1.pngScreenshot_20220411-064609.thumb.png.91f74704a9d5e9c1e0f3b59aacb4df3e.pngScreenshot_20220411-064558.thumb.png.f109a6d5283e0d5a70024c9e7e129e04.png

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2 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

If you want to see how another Forest fan won the Championship, then here’s his tactic + formation!

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Cheers mate I really appreciate it! I’ll try out this tactic and if that doesn’t seem like it’s working I’ll create a post and get help from all the top class vibe managers. Thank you for the link thought, I’ve managed quite a few teams and never had much of an issue but when it comes to my team I always don’t seem to do great 😂

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1 hour ago, EsakaForever97 said:

Dan when you can can you help me with this tactic I made? test it and see if there is anything to be improved or changed. 

The idea of the tactic is to be a tactic of fast and involving ball touches to put our striker or midfielders face to face with the opposition goalkeeper.

Can you send me a private message with those images? They are not showing up in my phone browser!

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Hi @EsakaForever97,

Thanks for sending me the images of your 4231 formation.

Firstly, it seems you have signed an entire new first team - who should be overpowered enough that you should perform well with many tactics.

Secondly, I wonder how your tactic will perform against the opposition’s 5212 / 5221, as you don’t have any DMC to mark / close down their AMC - so they could create lots of good quality chances.

Lastly, your formation is good for controlling possession (especially the two IWBs 👍), though with a TM + two IFs perhaps there will not be much space for those 3 attackers to receive through balls against strong opposition?

Good luck with your South Korean save! Dan

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7 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Hi @EsakaForever97,

Thanks for sending me the images of your 4231 formation.

Firstly, it seems you have signed an entire new first team - who should be overpowered enough that you should perform well with many tactics.

Secondly, I wonder how your tactic will perform against the opposition’s 5212 / 5221, as you don’t have any DMC to mark / close down their AMC - so they could create lots of good quality chances.

Lastly, your formation is good for controlling possession (especially the two IWBs 👍), though with a TM + two IFs perhaps there will not be much space for those 3 attackers to receive through balls against strong opposition?

Good luck with your South Korean save! Dan

Thanks dan, can you test the tactic and tell me what you think of it and some changes to make?

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On 12/04/2022 at 17:27, EsakaForever97 said:

Thanks dan, can you test the tactic and tell me what you think of it and some changes to make?

Unfortunately I won’t be testing this tactic, however there are two links which may be interesting for you:

  1. How to counter an opposition 5221? A poll last year that showed most people just use their normal formation <link>
     
  2. Creating Space in the Final Third - a series of posts explaining the joys of an IF + AF together, plus the joys of a B2B + IW (inside winger!) which you may want to test. We didn’t test it against a back three though, only a back four <link>

Hope this helps 🙂  Good luck 

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5 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Unfortunately I won’t be testing this tactic, however there are two links which may be interesting for you:

  1. How to counter an opposition 5221? A poll last year that showed most people just use their normal formation <link>
     
  2. Creating Space in the Final Third - a series of posts explaining the joys of an IF + AF together, plus the joys of a B2B + IW (inside winger!) which you may want to test. We didn’t test it against a back three though, only a back four <link>

Hope this helps 🙂  Good luck 

Very good mate, I'll try to make some changes in tactics and see if they work.

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16 minutes ago, mihhasd said:

@DanEnglishmate im looking to manage stevenage in league two could you help me

Hi! Nice choice for your club 👍

Most important question - (edit: before the first transfer window closes) are you looking to:

  • only use the players currently at the club?
  • Or … use the current players and 1-3 new first team signings?
  • Or … probably buy more than +3 players at the start of the season?
  • Or … buy/sell a lot to transform the squad?

🙂 

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1 hour ago, DanEnglish said:

Hi! Nice choice for your club 👍

Most important question - (edit: before the first transfer window closes) are you looking to:

  • only use the players currently at the club?
  • Or … use the current players and 1-3 new first team signings?
  • Or … probably buy more than +3 players at the start of the season?
  • Or … buy/sell a lot to transform the squad?

🙂 

only use the players currently at the club

 

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43 minutes ago, mihhasd said:

only use the players currently at the club

Great. Can you share what you already know / have researched / have tried ... then we can build on that 🙂 some example / guiding questions below.

The more detail you give, the more useful advice we can give in return 😄 

Cheers, Dan

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Guiding Questions:

Note - Many Vibe players would probably sell/buy players to fit the tactical style they want.

However IF you are going to do the opposite, and setup a tactical style based on the players you already have, then hopefully these questions gives you a start:

  • your objectives - what’s your aim / goal for season 1 - is it to achieve a mid/table finish, or to win the league? Is it to develop your youth high-potentials, or to do a 1k goal scoring challenge?
  • your stars - who are your star players + what are their strengths? 
  • your tactics - when you setup a new tactic, what styles + formations does your assistant suggest? Do they make sense to you / do they fit the players you have? - e.g. they recommend a 5221, but you’ve got no good wingbacks = 😞 
  • your squad - on your team strengths / weaknesses page + squad dynamics page, what is your team good / weak at? E.g. if your team is good at passing, but slow, weak + has reduced pressing, then a slow tiki-taka is better than a Gengenpress style.
  • transfers - are there any new signings who you can sign (+ afford?!) which would change the way you setup - e.g. a 15 pace, 15 shooting on a free transfer?!
  • opposition - how do the other teams play in your league - e.g. mostly 442, 41221, or three at the back ... ?
  • opposition strengths - what’s the average aerial / pace of the opposition DCs + STs in your league? - this gives you an idea whether your striker with (for example) 12 aerial + 12 pace is going to be good enough.
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