Chat FMM23 - General Discussion

[Mircoski]

6 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

I'm considering trying to add some of the stats back so that people can have access to both ..

would be great

[Mark Shcherbakov]

Guys, I need your help, what tactics to play for Leeds United, of course, attacking tactics or control is desirable 

[Azagahst]

Does anyone know where I can find the hidden attributes for players? 

Wanted to do an experiment with how those stats affect a players progression. Trying to find two young players with a similar CA but very different PA and Hidden Attributes and track their progress

[Marc Vaughan]

On 03/01/2023 at 13:12, Azagahst said:

Does anyone know where I can find the hidden attributes for players? 

Wanted to do an experiment with how those stats affect a players progression. Trying to find two young players with a similar CA but very different PA and Hidden Attributes and track their progress

They're hidden so by default you can't view them - you can work most out though through player behavior and some other aspects, ie. personality will tell you a bit about people, so will their player profile comments.

So for instance if a player is released upon a free transfer you might see the following different messages:

Determined player - good determination stat
"Is determined to show [%person#1-surname] that he can before a successful footballer"

Professional player - good professional stat:
"Is disappointed at being released by [%person#1-surname]"

Low pressure player - low pressure stat:
"Is upset that [%person#1-surname] released him"

Or that they're kind snarky about your team-talks if they're not overly professional:
"Is finding the manager's team-talks boring" (not professional and has high pressure rating)
"Is finding the manager's team-talks uninspiring" (at least somewhat unprofessional)

Older player who is getting lazier:
"Hope his manager understands he can't train like a teenager any more"

All these give you an idea of a persons mental state and an insight into their personality (there are literally hundreds of such things in the game, each tailored to the personalities of the players involved - more professional players will tend towards determined, disappointed terminology, less professional players will show more snark, low pressure players will tend towards being upset or worried etc.).

[DoneHisCruciate]

Is this new? I can’t remember losing a player to food poisoning before—reminds me of lasagnagate 😂

[MikeF]

29 minutes ago, DoneHisCruciate said:

Is this new? I can’t remember losing a player to food poisoning before—reminds me of lasagnagate 😂

Still too soon… 😂 

[Black Hawk]

Guys, has someone actually gotten Inside Forwards to work? I've been trying to get something out of them and that's driving me crazy!

They don't score, they don't assist, they don't go into the box... It strikes me as a silly thing to have an forward who doesn't go into the box, it's like having a box-to-box who doesn't go box-to-box.

Anyone has managed something?

[StuartM]

6 hours ago, Black Hawk said:

Guys, has someone actually gotten Inside Forwards to work? I've been trying to get something out of them and that's driving me crazy!

They don't score, they don't assist, they don't go into the box... It strikes me as a silly thing to have an forward who doesn't go into the box, it's like having a box-to-box who doesn't go box-to-box.

Anyone has managed something?

I am getting a few more goals now with the IFs in the forward line and a DLF between them but I wouldn't say its anything special.

[MikeF]

14 hours ago, Black Hawk said:

Guys, has someone actually gotten Inside Forwards to work? I've been trying to get something out of them and that's driving me crazy!

They don't score, they don't assist, they don't go into the box... It strikes me as a silly thing to have an forward who doesn't go into the box, it's like having a box-to-box who doesn't go box-to-box.

Anyone has managed something?

My tactic works well for IF. 25/26 was when I was at Roma

This season at Leipzig too…

Edited January 7, 2023 by MikeF

[Izzet22]

1 hour ago, MikeF said:

My tactic works well for IF. 25/26 was when I was at Roma

This season at Leipzig too…

what I have seen so far is that they don't work well with midfielders pushing a lot. so I am using mc roles that don't push up that often like mc or bwm.

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

23 hours ago, MikeF said:

Still too soon… 😂 

Shit happens 

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

On 07/01/2023 at 01:26, Black Hawk said:

Guys, has someone actually gotten Inside Forwards to work? I've been trying to get something out of them and that's driving me crazy!

They don't score, they don't assist, they don't go into the box... It strikes me as a silly thing to have an forward who doesn't go into the box, it's like having a box-to-box who doesn't go box-to-box.

Anyone has managed something?

 

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8 hours ago, YetAnotherDisplayName said:the way to go this year trust me 

 

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[MikeF]

4 hours ago, Izzet22 said:

what I have seen so far is that they don't work well with midfielders pushing a lot. so I am using mc roles that don't push up that often like mc or bwm.

IF pushed up to striker line and look for overlap works for me. Seems to push them in more when WB overlap

[DoneHisCruciate]

Anybody know the ins and outs of Champions League qualification?

I seem to have miscalculated somewhere. I was trying to get Inter into the Europa league by finishing 5th:

 

But instead we’re in the Champions League this season. Inter did win the Italian Cup (and the Italian Supercup) but that should just give a Europa League place.

None of the teams above Inter won the Champions League or the Europa League: 

 

How did Italy get 5 Champions League spots? 

Edited January 8, 2023 by DoneHisCruciate

[Black Hawk]

On 07/01/2023 at 08:27, StuartM said:

I am getting a few more goals now with the IFs in the forward line and a DLF between them but I wouldn't say its anything special.

You may be right, tried this yesterday after your reply and got them more involved. Nothing much, certainly not as they were in 22 Mobile, but better.

Now I'm feeling stupid for never trying to use them in the forward line. Seems like those things so obvious when you thing about it, but never came to your mind ahah

21 hours ago, MikeF said:

My tactic works well for IF. 25/26 was when I was at Roma

This season at Leipzig too…

Amazing, is it with the 523 you posted before?

14 hours ago, MikeF said:

IF pushed up to striker line and look for overlap works for me. Seems to push them in more when WB overlap

Overlap option puts my team playing like it was a game of "rush to flag". Dont like it one bit.

[MikeF]

2 hours ago, Black Hawk said:

Amazing, is it with the 523 you posted before?

Nah. I’m using a 433 I made a few versions of the game ago and high is doing well at the top level. Haven’t tested it for low league yet

[Marc Vaughan]

On 06/01/2023 at 17:03, DoneHisCruciate said:

Is this new? I can’t remember losing a player to food poisoning before—reminds me of lasagnagate 😂

Nah its been in the game for ages - but its rather rare ... there are quite a few 'odd/rare' things in the game which only a handful of people will ever see.

[broodje kip]

2 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

Nah its been in the game for ages - but its rather rare ... there are quite a few 'odd/rare' things in the game which only a handful of people will ever see.

I’ve seen it a lot of times and raged in all of them

[Ciupe18]

On 08/01/2023 at 07:12, DoneHisCruciate said:

Anybody know the ins and outs of Champions League qualification?

I seem to have miscalculated somewhere. I was trying to get Inter into the Europa league by finishing 5th:

 

But instead we’re in the Champions League this season. Inter did win the Italian Cup (and the Italian Supercup) but that should just give a Europa League place.

None of the teams above Inter won the Champions League or the Europa League: 

 

How did Italy get 5 Champions League spots? 

its that rule with the 2 best teams that performed in recent years get a ucl spot, something like that

[DoneHisCruciate]

24 minutes ago, Ciupe18 said:

its that rule with the 2 best teams that performed in recent years get a ucl spot, something like that

Awesome, thanks! Never heard of this until now. Found an article on these “historical” spots.

https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/29/champions-league-places-based-on-historical-performance-receive-backing

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

the game is taking the piss rn I can’t score in spfl (only in Europe an a friendly I tried to solve it) I’ve tried 4 different strikers in in my 5 league draws and none have scored a league goal 

All my three af should be more than good enough dominate the Scottish league an piccoli from Atalanta not scoring is a joke 

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[leedsunited87]

@Marc Vaughan just a quick one. Love playing FM, I have the top range phone. Work alot so can smash through a season really quickly. So just a thought, i think 30 seasons is quite a small career. I understand why it's at that level with some phones can't handle it etc. With players retiring every year, it's still really fast at season 30. So will get to the point, could their be anything in the future (regarding unlimited seasons) as a extra? I understand not all phones can do this, so I wouldn't mind paying like a extra 5 pound for unlimited seasons. This way it would be up to the user if they want that or not. 

[Lagom]

11 hours ago, YetAnotherDisplayName said:

the game is taking the piss rn I can’t score in spfl (only in Europe an a friendly I tried to solve it) I’ve tried 4 different strikers in in my 5 league draws and none have scored a league goal 

All my three af should be more than good enough dominate the Scottish league an piccoli from Atalanta not scoring is a joke 

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Might be a good idea to share the tactical set-up and team instructions you're using, people might be able to give you some constructive feedback on this. Without knowing anything at all, I could probably guess that you have Shoot on Sight ticked? You've averaged less than 50% shot accuracy in all the games you've posted and despite mostly dominating possession, you created 0 CCC in 3 out of the 4 matches, which leads me to believe your players behind the front 3 aren't providing good enough service to them and they're having to just shoot speculatively from range.

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

39 minutes ago, Lagom said:

Might be a good idea to share the tactical set-up and team instructions you're using, people might be able to give you some constructive feedback on this. Without knowing anything at all, I could probably guess that you have Shoot on Sight ticked? You've averaged less than 50% shot accuracy in all the games you've posted and despite mostly dominating possession, you created 0 CCC in 3 out of the 4 matches, which leads me to believe your players behind the front 3 aren't providing good enough service to them and they're having to just shoot speculatively from range.

This I what I’ve used mostly it’s a carbon copy of a tactic posted elsewhere on here as nothing I’ve tried this season was working but with a RP inplace of a BBM as I’ve dropped the 10 to a 6

but I’ve tried a TF/SS (imo the strongest front line this year) 4231 both deep and standard with wingback to supply the TF still not scoring 

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The players in behind are pretty good for spfl I would use some of them in a top 5 contender save the only thing I can think of is I have a C for professionalism RN but thought this mostly affects training and bookings.

I have brought in a motivational coach for the time being which seems to have helped a little scrapped my first win of league but was P7D7 GF4 GA4 before 

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[Lagom]

IFs have been noticeably reduced in their effectiveness in the latest update, as well as not playing in the same manner in which they were expected to in previous versions. People have seen an increased productivity from them in the forward line, instead of the AM line, so you could try this, though expect it to leave quite a bit of space for opposition WBs.

You're playing a balanced width, but with central passing and IWBs & IFs, who all have the tendency to move and pass inwards. This offers you no width to stretch the pitch and your opposition's back line, meaning that they can remain narrow and your AF will invariably have 2 defenders marking him closely. 

You clearly have some players who are technically proficient enough to do well in the league, as well as creatively sound, but with them on Balanced creative freedom, they are maybe not using this creativity to break lines and supply the striker. 

If I were to make just three suggestions to try and see if you improve your end product, they would be:

1. Remove final third instructions. Your players have the talent and mentality to make good decisions on their own, and could perform better without these instructions overriding them.

2. Change passing to Mixed. Short passing will help you to do exactly as you are doing currently, control the possession. It doesn't necessarily give the players the freedom to think outside the box and play balls which could potentially break down the opposing defence unexpectedly.

3. Change IWBs to FB. This will help slightly with a lack of width in the team, giving your CBs and midfielders passing options still, while also remaining sound defensively. In addition, it will encourage slightly wider play, which can draw opposition players out of position, leaving space for you to attack into.

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

8 hours ago, Lagom said:

IFs have been noticeably reduced in their effectiveness in the latest update, as well as not playing in the same manner in which they were expected to in previous versions. People have seen an increased productivity from them in the forward line, instead of the AM line, so you could try this, though expect it to leave quite a bit of space for opposition WBs.

You're playing a balanced width, but with central passing and IWBs & IFs, who all have the tendency to move and pass inwards. This offers you no width to stretch the pitch and your opposition's back line, meaning that they can remain narrow and your AF will invariably have 2 defenders marking him closely. 

You clearly have some players who are technically proficient enough to do well in the league, as well as creatively sound, but with them on Balanced creative freedom, they are maybe not using this creativity to break lines and supply the striker. 

If I were to make just three suggestions to try and see if you improve your end product, they would be:

1. Remove final third instructions. Your players have the talent and mentality to make good decisions on their own, and could perform better without these instructions overriding them.

2. Change passing to Mixed. Short passing will help you to do exactly as you are doing currently, control the possession. It doesn't necessarily give the players the freedom to think outside the box and play balls which could potentially break down the opposing defence unexpectedly.

3. Change IWBs to FB. This will help slightly with a lack of width in the team, giving your CBs and midfielders passing options still, while also remaining sound defensively. In addition, it will encourage slightly wider play, which can draw opposition players out of position, leaving space for you to attack into.

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Needless to say was a mentality issue but thanks for you help 

[DoneHisCruciate]

22 hours ago, leedsunited87 said:

@Marc Vaughan just a quick one. Love playing FM, I have the top range phone. Work alot so can smash through a season really quickly. So just a thought, i think 30 seasons is quite a small career. I understand why it's at that level with some phones can't handle it etc. With players retiring every year, it's still really fast at season 30. So will get to the point, could their be anything in the future (regarding unlimited seasons) as a extra? I understand not all phones can do this, so I wouldn't mind paying like a extra 5 pound for unlimited seasons. This way it would be up to the user if they want that or not. 

Sort of related to this but can you guys lower the starting age of the manager? I’m only in the 18th season and my guy is 70 and the game is already talking about him taking on his last management gig! 😂

[WeirsElk]

Any tips for dissuading my wide forwards from crossing the ball too often (currently playing 2 IF’s due to having multiple players suited to the role)? They tend to take the ball up the touch-line and cross the ball when I’d like them to cut inside more often (which is an attribute my starting IFs both have ostensibly). I only have a couple of players in that role who have 15+ crossing ability and no starting #9s with sufficient aerial ability or strength to capitalise. I don’t think I scored a single goal from a cross in our Prem and UEFA cup winning season despite relatively high cross attempts.

playing as Man United, I am inundated with relatively strong wide forward options, so changing formation reduces my effective squad depth too heavily.

 

tips? Tricks

 

thank you!

[MikeF]

6 hours ago, WeirsElk said:

Any tips for dissuading my wide forwards from crossing the ball too often (currently playing 2 IF’s due to having multiple players suited to the role)? They tend to take the ball up the touch-line and cross the ball when I’d like them to cut inside more often (which is an attribute my starting IFs both have ostensibly). I only have a couple of players in that role who have 15+ crossing ability and no starting #9s with sufficient aerial ability or strength to capitalise. I don’t think I scored a single goal from a cross in our Prem and UEFA cup winning season despite relatively high cross attempts.

playing as Man United, I am inundated with relatively strong wide forward options, so changing formation reduces my effective squad depth too heavily.

 

tips? Tricks

 

thank you!

What tactics and instructions are you using? Hard to say what could help otherwise but it’s a common problem with the change in behaviour of IF this game 

[WeirsElk]

1 hour ago, MikeF said:

What tactics and instructions are you using? Hard to say what could help otherwise but it’s a common problem with the change in behaviour of IF this game 

Here are some shots of my team setup. Midfield positions and roles will change game to game ( usually dropping a defensive player deeper or my AP/AM into a more central position) .

 

I also somewhat frequently adjust width between “narrow” and “balanced”; defensive line between “high” and “balanced”; and tempo between “fast” and “balanced”.
 

I will almost never alter passing length (very occasionally I’ll switch to “direct”) and only really play with “Run at defenders” or “through balls”, rarely selecting other final third options.