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[Woody]

Pinched a youth player from Roma.

A good looking striker who has 33 in 77 at youth level but a 2.62 rating though! The youth league he was playing in must of been shocking! 🤣

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

37 minutes ago, Woody said:

Pinched a youth player from Roma.

A good looking striker who has 33 in 77 at youth level but a 2.62 rating though! The youth league he was playing in must of been shocking! 🤣

got that beat this guy must of given at least 110% in four of his 5 games

[Woody]

11 hours ago, YetAnotherDisplayName said:

got that beat this guy must of given at least 110% in four of his 5 games

This game...sometimes! 🤣🤣

[Pista]

Ok, so I've been playing this game for almost 10 years and I've never seen anything like this before. I am completely out of ideas on what to do. I've had difficult seasons before, as a newly promoted team, but not like this. As soon as I think I may have found something to turn it around we get destroyed. Whenever we manage to score two or three goals we concede four or five, every opposition shot on target is a goal, we concede penalties, we score own goals, it's mind boggling!

 

The only reason I haven't lost my sanity is because I am also coaching Greece and, contrary to my expectations and the quality of players available, we are playing amazingly! We topped out Nations League group with Belgium, France and Wales without a single loss!

 

I tried using similar tactics at my club and it's not working, as can be seen in the pictures. And the players are really not that bad, it's just that nothing I do is working!

 

Anyway, I posted this not necessarily as a way to look for advice, but mainly because I needed to vent/complain a little. I've never been relegated before and my mind cannot accept the reality of it! I keep telling myself that I should resign but then I think "play just one more game, maybe things will turn around!" But they're not going to turn around, it's becoming clearer and clearer... I cannot believe I got his small team all the way to the Bundesliga only for it to end like this...

[1shotz]

1 hour ago, Pista said:

Ok, so I've been playing this game for almost 10 years and I've never seen anything like this before. I am completely out of ideas on what to do. I've had difficult seasons before, as a newly promoted team, but not like this. As soon as I think I may have found something to turn it around we get destroyed. Whenever we manage to score two or three goals we concede four or five, every opposition shot on target is a goal, we concede penalties, we score own goals, it's mind boggling!

 

The only reason I haven't lost my sanity is because I am also coaching Greece and, contrary to my expectations and the quality of players available, we are playing amazingly! We topped out Nations League group with Belgium, France and Wales without a single loss!

 

I tried using similar tactics at my club and it's not working, as can be seen in the pictures. And the players are really not that bad, it's just that nothing I do is working!

 

Anyway, I posted this not necessarily as a way to look for advice, but mainly because I needed to vent/complain a little. I've never been relegated before and my mind cannot accept the reality of it! I keep telling myself that I should resign but then I think "play just one more game, maybe things will turn around!" But they're not going to turn around, it's becoming clearer and clearer... I cannot believe I got his small team all the way to the Bundesliga only for it to end like this...

Yeah I don’t really like this years game tbh most likely will still be playing fm22 until the new one comes out, and let’s hope they actually revamp the tactics instead of adding things like team talks 🙄

[Pete123]

They've made it a lot harder, and I think it's the best thing they could have done for the more active player.

Most people who download the game are casual players who want to bang out a few seasons as Man City or Barcelona - which is still pretty easy.

For the more active player who takes on tougher challenges and lower league teams it needs to be much harder or it gets boring. In previous versions you could just make a game-breaking formation and storm up the leagues. In this version they have made the AI a lot smarter. You have to keep switching formations, adapting to the opposition, working out how to break them down, and making effective changes in games.

In previous versions you could play as Vfb Oldenburg in the Bundesliga and you'd easily get top six in the first season after promotion. In this, getting relegated is the expectation - as it should be. In order to stay up you have to fight out each game individually. And even if you do you will still probably be relegated - just like in real life. It takes luck to stay up as well as talent.

So it's definitely the most realistic, challenging, and genuinely thrilling game they have made so far. Whenever I play as a small team I end up changing formation and starting eleven ever five or six games to keep ahead of the AI.

But the great thing about football is that if this sounds boring and you want an easier game, just play as a bigger team. Everybody wins.

[Pista]

Actually, I don't mind the increased difficulty, assuming that that's what the problem is with my career. I always found the game to be too easy, especially after the first few seasons, but most of the time this was thanks to the inept AI, inept when it comes to transfers, managing players, doing substitutions during a game and so on. And to be honest I haven't found anything particularly special so far in this version of the game. The AI still does stupid transfers and ridiculous substitutions and stuff like that. I've lost count how many times I saw the AI take off their best performing player at half-time or shortly after or buy a player for a lot of money only to forget about him and have him collect dust on the bench.

 

As for my career, it went about as easily as in previous versions of the game until now. I took over Oldenburg in the third division, quite early in the season, when they were one place above the relegation zone and managed to finish in mid-table. Second season we won the league and got promoted, with mainly the same players! In our first season in the 2. Bundesliga we finished again in mid-table, actually a bit closer to the promotion zone than the relegation, while in the next season we got promoted from second place, missing out on the top spot by only two points. So, it really wasn't all that difficult and definitely easier than I expected, especially once I figured out each player's best role and the general formation I should use to fit them. It's only in the Bundesliga that we ran into real trouble for the first time. So, I don't know what to say, is it the increased difficulty the problem (which I wouldn't mind but I'm not convinced that they actually made it harder) or something else?!

 

And if they did make the game harder but only by making winning games harder than that's bullshit, because so far the AI seems just as dumb as before when it comes to everything else. Like I said in my previous post, my players are really not that bad, most of them would have no problem playing in the Bundesliga for a mid-table team, some even higher. So why we get these results is beyond me...

Edited May 20 by Pista

[Pete123]

That's funny, because the AI seems to make much better decisions in my game. Are you using the EME or the OME?

[Pista]

It's been EME since forever. When I say that it's dumb I mean mainly regarding transfers, managing existing players in the team or substitutions during a game. What kind of changes the AI does to tactics is less obvious. I mean we can see the mentality being used or when it swaps players around the field during a game, usually it shuffles its midfielders around and IFs with forwards, but that is all. It still baffles me that when you are in the lead and playing better (not recently for me...) and the AI "feels" the need to change something it takes off their best midfielder, for instance. Like, the only one that has a rating of 7 and made a decent amount of passes, some even key passes. And he's off at half-time or soon after in the second half, without being tired or anything. I've seen this happen very often.

 

Anyway, one thing I noticed in this edition of the game is that many, and I mean MANY, teams are using a 4231 formation, with 2xDMC, 1x AMC + 2x IF/wingers and 1x forward. This was in the lower leagues as well as Bundesliga. Seems it's good defensively, I guess, but there is a significant gap in midfield, between the two DMC and the attacking players. In previous edition of the game whenever I faced such formations I would dominate the midfield, not this time around though. Despite me using 4 midfielders, 1x DMC (anchor usually or DM) and 3x MC (2x BTB or 1x BTB and 1x CM + 1x AP). Maybe I should give this 2x DMC thing a try, though I have no good wingers/IFs. I dunno, I'm out of ideas.

 

One other thing I noticed, in multiple games the after the match report said "poor shot-stopping from the GK" and I tended to agree based on how I conceded the goals. But, despite that, the GK almost never got a rating below 7... Not to mention an 8 when he somehow made a key pass... Anyway, I figured my GKs were below-par, though it didn't seem like that to me before the start of the season, so I bought one in the winter transfer period. We'll see if that helps a little.

[Pete123]

4 hours ago, Pista said:

It's been EME since forever. When I say that it's dumb I mean mainly regarding transfers, managing existing players in the team or substitutions during a game. What kind of changes the AI does to tactics is less obvious. I mean we can see the mentality being used or when it swaps players around the field during a game, usually it shuffles its midfielders around and IFs with forwards, but that is all. It still baffles me that when you are in the lead and playing better (not recently for me...) and the AI "feels" the need to change something it takes off their best midfielder, for instance. Like, the only one that has a rating of 7 and made a decent amount of passes, some even key passes. And he's off at half-time or soon after in the second half, without being tired or anything. I've seen this happen very often.

 

Anyway, one thing I noticed in this edition of the game is that many, and I mean MANY, teams are using a 4231 formation, with 2xDMC, 1x AMC + 2x IF/wingers and 1x forward. This was in the lower leagues as well as Bundesliga. Seems it's good defensively, I guess, but there is a significant gap in midfield, between the two DMC and the attacking players. In previous edition of the game whenever I faced such formations I would dominate the midfield, not this time around though. Despite me using 4 midfielders, 1x DMC (anchor usually or DM) and 3x MC (2x BTB or 1x BTB and 1x CM + 1x AP). Maybe I should give this 2x DMC thing a try, though I have no good wingers/IFs. I dunno, I'm out of ideas.

 

One other thing I noticed, in multiple games the after the match report said "poor shot-stopping from the GK" and I tended to agree based on how I conceded the goals. But, despite that, the GK almost never got a rating below 7... Not to mention an 8 when he somehow made a key pass... Anyway, I figured my GKs were below-par, though it didn't seem like that to me before the start of the season, so I bought one in the winter transfer period. We'll see if that helps a little.

I agree about the formation - the AI does often choose 41221. I suppose it's a reflection of the modern game.

I think all the players of the game take different approaches and sometimes the new version will suit different styles and not others. 👍

[kiragu]

On 03/12/2022 at 04:18, ComeontheArsenal said:

Casually checking through my reserves, not realising this player exists. 18 pace for a GK?? Straight promotion to the first team... coaches having a mare surely.

 

Am I missing something here?

The player won't get past 3 star rating, also his value will not increase, i also had such a player in the same goalkeeper position in my man united save, he was good in game but rating and price is concerned he staganated 

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

On 21/05/2023 at 12:14, kiragu said:

The player won't get past 3 star rating, also his value will not increase, i also had such a player in the same goalkeeper position in my man united save, he was good in game but rating and price is concerned he staganated 

The star ratings this year have been all over that player has best in the world goalkeeper potential but won’t get past 3 stars.

an I do think stars indirectly affect performance as I think it’s related somewhat to reputation an low rep in a big league affect confidence had a season with Paul mullin I took up to league 1 even when his shooting,movement,decision,pace an teq were all over 14/15 couldn’t get him going 

[MikeF]

Been playing around in the Danish 4th division (as you do) to see if I can get world class rep and a top job with humble beginnings starting there.

I’ve loaded up on free players sending my wage bill overboard but it seems I monitor finances well and I’m frugal 😂 

 

 

[Pista]

So, we were relegated from the Bundesliga. When this happened both the training and youth facilities got somehow degraded. We lost half a star for the training facilities and a full star for the youth ones. How did that happen? And for some reason our finances appear as "insecure" even though we are comfortably under the wage budget and have some money for transfers. What gives?

 

Edit: I sold a bunch of players, now we are 212k under the wage budget and have almost 10 millions for transfers. Our finances are still insecure. 

Edited May 25 by Pista
added new info

[leedsunited87]

7 hours ago, MikeF said:

Been playing around in the Danish 4th division (as you do) to see if I can get world class rep and a top job with humble beginnings starting there.

I’ve loaded up on free players sending my wage bill overboard but it seems I monitor finances well and I’m frugal 😂 

 

 

Love managing in the danish leagues, you can climb the ladder quite quickly tbf, 2.division and 2.divison are all semi pro so gives you a good start, can get half decent players, good luck mate. I'm silkeborg in my 7th season, won the DBU pokalen last season, currently 5th in the table 

[Migraz]

Hello everybody, there are always a lot of ideas in here for a career... But I would like to suggest a try with 'Depor' (Deportivo La Coruna), one of the most enjoying game I have had so far. 

[MikeF]

On 25/05/2023 at 22:14, leedsunited87 said:

Love managing in the danish leagues, you can climb the ladder quite quickly tbf, 2.division and 2.divison are all semi pro so gives you a good start, can get half decent players, good luck mate. I'm silkeborg in my 7th season, won the DBU pokalen last season, currently 5th in the table 

Nice. I’m just starting my third season after back to back promotions. 

[YetAnotherDisplayName]

Lane can be at 72% fitness 5 mins into game an play full match as motm but any of our players drop below 75% he’s gonna get injured guaranteed I won’t be buying next years there’s genuinely 50/60 game break bugs in it an many have been there for years 

[Pista]

When you face Malta at home and your players are "lacking confidence"...🤨

[Scratch]

11 hours ago, Pista said:

When you face Malta at home and your players are "lacking confidence"...🤨

Yeah I had this when playing as France. They were scared of their own shadows! But a Relaxed team talk normally did the trick.

[Van The Man]

I really hate this game sometimes.....

 

[Resurgam]

12 minutes ago, Van The Man said:

I really hate this game sometimes.....

 

Ouch one of the worst I’ve seen. Happens far too often this years game

[Van The Man]

5 minutes ago, Resurgam said:

Ouch one of the worst I’ve seen. Happens far too often this years game

Yep.. lots of games i generate like 30-40 shots(!!) with around 15/20 on goal. Even with clear cut chances.. All top players with high finishing etc. But still I regularly have matches like this.. Also a lot where I only win 1-0 or 2-1. Absolutely not realistic imo.

[DoneHisCruciate]

I’m not convinced by our away strip here.. it’s almost like watching a match on a black and white telly. 😁

[MikeF]

Looks like Levy finally sold those naming rights…

[Pista]

I think I was just robbed of a place in the knockout rounds... By my calculations Greece (my team) should have finished 2nd, followed by Scotland with Sweden in last place.

[DanEnglish]

16 hours ago, MikeF said:

Looks like Levy finally sold those naming rights…

Have you got some kind of 'pack' loaded with the game - like a logo pack, or a real names fix, or a face pack?

As this is a real stadium's name, in Northampton (England), so it seems to be similar to the 'bugs' which people have noticed where a team's stadium is now in Qatar - and (from memory) I believe that was all due to a pack causing issues ... ?

[DanEnglish]

4 hours ago, Pista said:

I think I was just robbed of a place in the knockout rounds... By my calculations Greece (my team) should have finished 2nd, followed by Scotland with Sweden in last place.

You may be right ... BUT it seems you drew with them 1-1 at home, and 0-0 away right? 

If they take away goals into consideration for the 'results between teams', then they'd be above you as they scored a single away goal against you. 

Am not sure if this is how it works, but is the only logical explanation (outside of a bug) which I could see

[Pista]

11 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

You may be right ... BUT it seems you drew with them 1-1 at home, and 0-0 away right? 

If they take away goals into consideration for the 'results between teams', then they'd be above you as they scored a single away goal against you. 

Am not sure if this is how it works, but is the only logical explanation (outside of a bug) which I could see

There are no "home" and "away" goals here... And besides, the home/away goals rule has been abolished, not that it would apply in this situation anyway. These aren't the knockout rounds of a competition. All games are "neutral" in a European Championship. I suspect a bug, I've posted it on the Sigames forums as well.

Edited 17 hours ago by Pista

[DoneHisCruciate]

8 hours ago, Pista said:

I think I was just robbed of a place in the knockout rounds... By my calculations Greece (my team) should have finished 2nd, followed by Scotland with Sweden in last place.

I think they way they do it is to consider the head to head games between the teams on the same number of points. So effectively the results against Croatia are ignored at first.
 

So, it’s a mini table of 2 games and it goes to goal difference and then goals scored in those games.

Sweden GF: 2  / GA: 2

Greece GF: 1 / GA: 1

Scotland GF: 1 / GA: 1

So Sweden win that mini table on Goals Scored.

Then I think because Greece and Scotland still can’t be separated they look at their results against Croatia.

Greece GF: 1 / GA: 2

Scotland : GF: 0 / GA: 1

Again goal difference is identical so it goes down to Greece scoring more goals.