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Sasha2
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Just a few thoughts, about missing players when loading databases.

Already posted some feedback about Ukrainian missing talents.

I’m trying to evaluate, per country, how many players should appear, no matter the load.

The easiest way is to look at Transfermarkt. (sorry for FM scouting, I do not intend to depreciate your excellent work: my attempt is meant for the global figures, not for the single ones). As it’s market-price based, talents from weaker leagues are underestimated, whereas average players from the main 4 European leagues are overestimated. Keep this in mind. (Remember Kvarathskelia?). Other flaw: older players keep their talent, but loose their value. Same logic with youngsters. 

In order to have a broad view, country per country, I’ll give 6 figures per country. 1- players over 2.5M€ on Transfermarkt. 2- players 30yo and older between 1M€ and 2.5M€ on Transfermarkt 3- players 20yo and younger between 1M€ and 2.5M€ 4- Value of the 11th most valuable player 5- number of players in FMM23 when USA, Australia, South Africa, England and Spain are loaded. (top 2 European leagues+ NAmerica, Africa, Asia) 6- number of players when loading Denmark only (to give a sens of how many we miss)

Here we are: 

Afghanistan 0 / 0 / 0 / 0.1M / FMM23 5 leagues 10 / Denmark only 2

Albania 12 / 1 / 1 / 3.5M / FMM23 5 leagues 25 / Denmark only 13

Algeria 22 / 7 / 1 / 5M / FMM23 5 leagues 170 / Denmark only 16

American Samoa 0

American Virgin Islands 0

Andorra 0 / 0 / 0 / 0.1M / FMM23 5Continents 33 / Denmark only 0

Angola 4 / 3 / 0 / 1.2M / FMM23 5Continents 51 / Denmark only 8

Anguilla 0

Antigua & Barbuda 1 / 0 / 0/ 0M / FMM23 5Continents 14 /Denmark only 0

Argentina 224 / 67 / 20 / 28M / FMM23 5Continents 391 /Denmark only 81

Armenia 4 / 3 / 0 / 0,75M / FMM23 5Continents 9 /Denmark only 6

Aruba 0 / FMM23 5Continents 1 / Denmark only

Australia 3 / 1 / 0 / 1.5M / FMM23 5Continents 832 / Denmark only 8

Austria 41 / 5 / 4 / 10M / FMM23 5Continents 49 / Denmark only 29

———-Random pickups

Belarus 0 / 0 / 0 / 0.7M / FMM23 5Continents 2 / Denmark only 0

Cameroon 28 / 5 / 0 / 5M / FMM23 5Continents 176 / Denmark only 15

China 1 / 1 / 0 / 0.45M / FMM23 5Continents 84 / Denmark only 2

Costa Rica 3 / 1 / 1 / 1M / FMM23 5Continents 27 / Denmark only 2

Czech Republic 25 / 8 / 5 / 4.5M / FMM23 5Continents 26 / Denmark only 11

Egypt 10 / 6 / 0 / 2M / FMM23 5Continents 154 / Denmark only 3

Georgia 5 / 1 / 3 / 1.5M / FMM23 5Continents 17 / Denmark only 3

Greece 24 / 4 / 3 / 4.5M / FMM23 5Continents 34 / Denmark only 9

Hungary 12 / 1 / 2 / 3M / FMM23 5Continents 17 / Denmark only 4

Iran 6 / 2 / 0 / 2M / FMM23 5Continents 219 / Denmark only 6

Ireland 21 / 6 / 3 / 4M / FMM23 5Continents 425 / Denmark only 8

Italy 144 / 31 / 15 / 30M / FMM23 5Continents 138 / Denmark only 99

Japan 20 / 18 / 0 / 6M / FMM23 5Continents 70 / Denmark only 16

South Korea 10 / 5 / 0 / 1.8M / / FMM23 5Continents 500 / Denmark only 6

Mexico 72 / 34 / 5 / 6.5M / FMM23 5Continents 1911 / Denmark only 49

Northern Ireland 7 / 1 / 1 / 0.9M / FMM23 5Continents 170 / Denmark only 6

Paraguay 31 / 11 / 5 / 4.5M / FMM23 5Continents 47 / Denmark only 15

Peru 8 / 6 / 0 / 2M / FMM23 5Continents 33 / Denmark only 8

Qatar 1 / 0 / 0 / 0.45M / FMM23 5Continents 59 / Denmark only 1

Romania 20 / 6 / 2 / 4M / FMM23 5Continents 36 / Denmark only 11

Russia 58 / 24 / 7 / 7.5M / FMM23 5Continents 40 / Denmark only 25

Scotland 34 / 7 / 2 / 9M / FMM23 5Continents 508 / Denmark only 14

South Africa 0 / 3 / 0 / 1M / FMM23 5Continents 2016 / Denmark only 4

Thailand 0 / 0 / 0 / 0.4M / FMM23 5Continents 60 / Denmark only 3

Tunisia 12 / 3 / 0 / 2.5M / FMM23 5Continents 149 / Denmark only 9

Turkey 60 / 17 / 8 / 13M / FMM23 5Continents 30 / Denmark only 23

Ukraine 29 / 5 / 2 / 8M / FMM23 5Continents 55 / Denmark only 20

United States of America 67 / 11 / 17 / 12M / FMM23 5Continents 1314 / Denmark only 39

Uzbekistan 2 / 0 / 0 / 0.8M / FMM23 5Continents 166 / Denmark only 1

Vietnam 0 / 0 / 0 / 0.25M / FMM23 5Continents 6 / Denmark only 0

Wales 19 / 4 / 2 / 6M / FMM23 5Continents 334 / Denmark only 10

Zambia 4 / 0 / 0 / 0.275M / FMM23 5Continents 44 / Denmark only 4

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At first glance Peruvians, Italians, Greeks, Czechs, Russians, Ukrainians, Turks are hugely undercounted in both saves.

Consistent if completed with my own experience (Russia+Italy).

I would have thought Koreans and South Africans should flock in numbers, but their mean value is really cheap.

Any thoughts? How to establish a more balanced database? 

 

 

 

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You just need to experiment with the combination of leagues you load to get more players of certain nations.

For eg, there are 46 Peruvians in the game, but obviously only 8 are high profile enough to be loaded with Denmark. But if you include other nations, more will make it into the save game. I can't tell you which ones you need to load, although I'd guess Mexico and Argentina or maybe US would help get more Peruvians. 

There are 4010 Italians in the database, although I've only ever made 3090 of them get loaded into a save. The other 20 are probably orphans - included in the database because they are in the full FM database, but not included in the save because they aren't in the top 40 players in the reserve team (a limitation of the mobile game). Anyway, the point is there are a lot of Italians in the game, but if you only load Denmark, most of them will not be included. 

That is actually quite useful in some ways. I often load less nations so I get a smaller number of overseas players. Using the Italy eg above, if I had loaded Italy and got all 3090 Italians, I'd have a wide choice, but some of them would be very good, a lot would be average, some would be bad, etc. If I only had 99 Italians in the save, I'd know that they'd almost all be very good (the rubbish ones wouldn't be loaded). Though of course you would end up missing some pretty good players (including some wonderkids). 

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