Help Developing Players

[Adrien]

Hi guys, this is my first post and i just wanna know your way of developing young players. 

Using the IGE to evaluate players potential (still waiting for the scouting app :p), I found that Chiesa has maximum potential of 4.5 star and Maldini has maximum potential of 4 star rating.

Until the age of 30, Chiesa only has 15 dibbling, 15 technique and 15 crossing with 4 star rating in IGE. After turning 31, his technical attributes increased and finally he fulfilled his potential. I was so afraid i did something wrong that hinder his development like too much position retraining or simply play him too much.

Meanwhile i bought Maldini because he is 4 star rated and play him sparringly as back up winger for Kulusevski. To my surprise, he developed rather quickly with Kulusevski as mentor to raise his technique and training focused on pace and movement. 

For 3 years Maldini was regarded as the better between those two, leading assists, goals as well as ratings. 

My question is:

1. Do you guys think that there is some kind of a curve in players development? Like Chiesa is a late bloomer and Maldini is an early riser. 

2. Does personality affect players development in terms of achieving maximum potential?

3. Is developing technique early helps in maximizing other attributes?

Thank you for your attention, any opinion will be appreciated 

[Lagom]

I think the important attribute you aren't considering is CA.

For example, if Chiesa is 4.5 star PA, but 4.0 star CA, clearly his improvement will not be as noticeable as Maldini, if Maldini's PA is 4.0 stars and CA is 2.3 stars.

The difference in age is also a factor. Chiesa when he was Maldini's age, could have potentially been a 2.5 star CA, with 4.5 PA, and you would have seen him develop at a similar rate as you are seeing Maldini now.

You can look at it as a curve, with CA as the starting point, and PA as the peak. Different factors like age, coaching, mentoring, injuries etc, will likely have significant impacts on this.

[Adrien]

1 hour ago, Lagom said:

I think the important attribute you aren't considering is CA.

For example, if Chiesa is 4.5 star PA, but 4.0 star CA, clearly his improvement will not be as noticeable as Maldini, if Maldini's PA is 4.0 stars and CA is 2.3 stars.

The difference in age is also a factor. Chiesa when he was Maldini's age, could have potentially been a 2.5 star CA, with 4.5 PA, and you would have seen him develop at a similar rate as you are seeing Maldini now.

You can look at it as a curve, with CA as the starting point, and PA as the peak. Different factors like age, coaching, mentoring, injuries etc, will likely have significant impacts on this.

Thank you for your reply, 

I am monitoring their CA closely using the IGE. My problem is why Maldini develop from 2.5 to 4 star like in 2-3 years while Chiesa develop from 4 to 4.5 from the age of 25-31. I know Marc once said in the general discusson ~ eventually they will get there.. but at the age of 31, errrr.. 

Just wanna know is there anyway to speed up development. I really want them to hit their prime earlier.

 

[sussexpob]

On 12/01/2023 at 11:46, Adrien said:

My question is:

1. Do you guys think that there is some kind of a curve in players development? Like Chiesa is a late bloomer and Maldini is an early riser. 

2. Does personality affect players development in terms of achieving maximum potential?

3. Is developing technique early helps in maximizing other attributes?

Thank you for your attention, any opinion will be appreciated 

To answer your question, I have tested the game using a scouting tool that uncovers the hidden stats, and in general, the game is totally broken because players simply do not develop anywhere near to their potential if they have a high potential value, and things like temporary not playing (so squad players, even minor injuries) can totally destroy a players development. 

1. The only noticeable "curves" are that players up to around 20 undergo rapid develop. After they turn 21, or reach a certain level, their development slows to glacial pace, so glacial in fact that many players just stop entirely. Elite prospects get beached around the 4 star/160 PA mark routinely, and those younger players in the database in their earlier 20s like Haaland and Havertz in every single game I tested actually reduce from very high abilitiy back down to that 160 mark. Goal keepers seemingly are an exception, as they seem to develop more. The second noticeable curve is, players of high ability hardly decline past 30. 

2. Using the actual data and what you see in game, its entirely random. I dont know how they coded the game, but testing it I believe there is some form of limiter to stop players reaching potential too soon, that has the opposite effect of killing their development full stop. 

As an example, I had a save where I bought all the best young players and focused entirely on trying to get them to their best potential, to test if it actually can be done. I had 7 players of 190 PA+/5 star potential. In the game, the squad dynamics listed every single one as fully down arrow, fully negative on professionalism and work ethic. The hidden stats lowest for all the 7 players concerned was 14 in work ethic, with the other 6 above 18 in both categories. I had one player 20 and 20 on both, and on paper an exceptionally hard worker - yet his and all 7 training performance was always E, he was listed as a problem player in my team chemistry, his training develop didn't move in 3 seasons, and he was unhappy about the work rate required in training in his personal screen. So the game seemingly ignores the hidden stats totally. 

All in all a player with maximum 200 potential and 20 on all relevant stats that judge positive characters, at the age of 22, no injuries, never dropped, and maintaining good performance, went up from 150 to 152 in CA in a whole season. So yes, as that development he would reach his potential at 47..... out of the 7, one player went up 10 CA after levelling up, got injured for a month, and by the end of the season had declined 2 points overall as a result. 4 Players did not move in CA all season. 

3. No. It seems the reason players develop rapidly at young ages is because physical attributes are easy to gain, technical attributes seemingly take ages.