Fun/Games FMM Cup 2

[AndersJ]

Very messed up! Just send in my answer with the subject being "dad issues" 😂😂😂 Elanga go do your magic!

[BatiGoal]

27 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

To make it easier on yourself - if you do use other subs, how about only subbing on others (a) when injured OR at one of two points - if they’re below 80% (bi) at either half-time OR (bii) at sometime between 60-70 mins (whenever the game stops play after you push the button). That simplifies things for you across 30 ! games.

Yes, I'll keep things as fair and identical as possible - probably going with 3 identical subs at halftime across all 30 games - and keeping the other 2 for Elanga and/or injuries.

[BatiGoal]

To the spectating Vibe crowd, even if you don't wish to participate in the competition, feel free to chime in with your thoughts, opinions and answers. This is very much a community affair, so any involved will be greatly appreciated.

Besides, who wouldn't want to help, influence or mislead these 12 brave managers 😂

[DanEnglish]

For fun - I tried asking ChatGPT for its answer … 🙄 

Its 1st answer was non-commital, so I pushed it again for a decision …

Spoiler

 
So I tried to trick it - but it didn’t fall for my cunning plan …

Spoiler

Argh!

Edited February 14, 2023 by DanEnglish

[BatiGoal]

14 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

For fun - I tried asking ChatGPT for its answer … 🙄 

Wise words I must say 😆 sensible and avoiding any form of responsibility.

3/12 votes in so far.

[Woody]

3 hours ago, BatiGoal said:

Wise words I must say 😆 sensible and avoiding any form of responsibility.

3/12 votes in so far.

Its like it was programmed by politicians!

[BatiGoal]

I've played out all 30 games vs Stoke and things are.. uhmm .. interesting I guess 🤐

I'll start the write up soon.

7/12 votes in so far.

[StuartM]

Do we have a bonus side quiz on how many times he gets injured?

[BatiGoal]

9/12 votes in. 

@Kanegan @AtleticoWolves @Chris Rawlings once your votes are in I'll post the results.

[BatiGoal]

11/12 votes in. 

There will be happy folk.. and there will be sad folk.. that's all I'm saying 😆

[Titjes]

34 minutes ago, BatiGoal said:

11/12 votes in. 

There will be happy folk.. and there will be sad folk.. that's all I'm saying 😆

My guess is that @Chris Rawlings has the last vote? (Has not been on Vibe since sunday) 😅

[BatiGoal]

14 hours ago, Titjes said:

My guess is that @Chris Rawlings has the last vote? (Has not been on Vibe since sunday) 😅

Yes, sorry there Chris, but we really need to pace on with these sort of community challenges or it'll take months to complete the 10 rounds. 

 

Your Votes:

Option A : Play Elanga from the start - full 90 min.

• Kun Aguero
• Titjes
• broodje kip

 

Option B : Play Elanga 45 min. only (in the 2nd half)

• AtleticoWolves
• Kanegan

 

Option C : Play Elanga for 30 min. (60 - 90th min.)

• AndersJ
• DanEnglish
• StuartM
• leedsunited87
• DutchTony
• BakaSotong

[BatiGoal]

Let's waste no time and get straight to business ..

 

FMM CUP 2

- Round 1 -

+  Man Management Skills  +

The Results

 

The following stats is the average over 10 games.

 

Option A : Play Elanga from the start - full 90 min.

• Possession: 51%
• Team Rating: 7.2
• Shots (on target): 15(6)
• Clear Cut Chances: 3.5
• Goals: 8
• GPG: 0.8

Expecting at least 1-2 injuries or early exits, Elanga never got injured once over all 30 games. That's quite surprising, but watching the match highlights he looked very much off the pace and missing chances on several occasions - something I wasn't used to seeing him do when playing an Elanga at 100%. A 74% player is nowhere near a fully fit one. Not even close from the observations, the only reason I can think of why he still managed 8 goals is due to the number of min. on the pitch with a strong team around him. It just confirms why we shouldn't play players under 80%, unless the challenge is at risk 😆

 

Option B : Play Elanga 45 min. only (in the 2nd half)

• Possession: 53%
• Team Rating: 7.1
• Shots (on target): 12.5(7)
• Clear Cut Chances: 3
• Goals: 7
• GPG: 0.7

If Rashford can score 4 in one half, why can't Elanga? Very similar stats compared with playing the full 90 min. I fully expected a better output here tho, since he'd be a "fresh" sub in 2nd half. He never took advantage of a "tired" Stoke. By the time Stoke were tired Elanga was tired himself to do any damage. As if sitting on the bench in 1st half already drained him of his energy. Basically it kind of looked like a refreshed Stoke cancelled out a "fresh" Elanga in the first part of the 2nd half. By the end of the game Elanga looked a mere mediocre player - slow and standing offside on quite a few occasions. It's evident the 74% runs across all his attributes numbers lowering each of them. Poor Movement, Poor Decisions, Poor Finishing.

 

Option C : Play Elanga for 30 min. (60 - 90th min.)

• Possession: 56%
• Team Rating: 7.7
• Shots (on target): 13(6.5)
• Clear Cut Chances: 3
• Goals: 11
• GPG: 1.1

Elanga scored 3 braces during the 10 games coming in after the 1-hour mark. He never managed one in the other 20 games, he was simply too injured / tired. Observing all 30 games, it very much looked like Elanga only had about 20 or so good minutes in him. So kind of a "perfect" scenario coming into a team facing an opponent at its "weakest", add the fact that Stoke played more attacking football towards the latter stages of the game in the hopes to salvage something. More holes in defense etc, the only obvious disadvantage was the limited time Elanga had to score goals. He did make the most of his time on the pitch, which means option C is clearly the better choice of the 3.

 

Option A : GPG: 0.8 : 1 pt

Option B : GPG: 0.7 : 0 pts

Option C : GPG: 1.1 : 3 pts

 

If it's any consolation to this round's losers, I'd be right there with you on 0. I wanted nothing to do with Option A - I'm too nice of a guy to play an unfit player an entire game (I've said it Aguero, Titjes, kip - you ruthless lot!). Option B and C it was, but tbh I was leaning towards B as I was unsure 30min would be enough to outscore the "more demanding" 45min. The exploits of Stoke's exhaustion + porous defence proved to be key to this round's success. There you go.

So big congrats to this round's winners !!

 

FMM Cup 2 Managers : Leaderboard

(Round 1/10 completed)

1.  3 pts - AndersJ
2.  3 pts - BakaSotong
3.  3 pts - DanEnglish 
4.  3 pts - DutchTony
5.  3 pts - leedsunited87
6.  3 pts - StuartM
7.  1 pts - broodje kip
8.  1 pts - Kun Aguero
9.  1 pts - Titjes
10.  0 pts - AtleticoWolves
11.  0 pts - Chris Rawlings
12.  0 pts - Kanegan

[leedsunited87]

Awesome great start lads!

[DanEnglish]

Sources close to the player suggest Elanga is FURIOUS at being STARTED while obviously unfit.

”74% fitness bruv. What kind of manager does that eh? Eh?! Amateurs”

[BatiGoal]

5 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Sources close to the player suggest Elanga is FURIOUS at being STARTED while obviously unfit.

”74% fitness bruv. What kind of manager does that eh? Eh?! Amateurs”

😂😂 👍

[BatiGoal]

Round 2 shall be posted soon. People may still join the fun. Pls read OP for more details.. 

Here's already a teaser of what's awaiting you.

 

FMM CUP 2

- Round 2 -

★  - One - Trick - Pony - ★

 

Stay Tuned..

[AndersJ]

6 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Sources close to the player suggest Elanga is FURIOUS at being STARTED while obviously unfit.

”74% fitness bruv. What kind of manager does that eh? Eh?! Amateurs”

Every artist was first an amateur.😂 

[BatiGoal]

 

FMM CUP 2

- Round 2 -

★  - One - Trick - Pony - ★

 

Rory Delap springs to mind surely. Arjen Robben another? v.Nistelrooy, Inzaghi, Lennon (that would be Aaron, not John). Beckham could be included as well. Whether it's your javelin-ish throw-ins, your ability to sniff out opportunities in the box, your predictable yet lethal inward dribbles followed by an accurate snipershot in the top corner, your blistering acceleration or pace, your jaw dropping technique and crosses all over the field, your set piece master class. These sort of players can do only one thing. Boring right? Thing is, that one little trick they've got up their sleeve, that one little move they keep doing over and over, they do it reallyyyy well! So well that even when opponents know it's coming, it's over before they can do anything about it. They're unstoppable which has brought them the success they fully deserve.

We've got our own one-trick-pony for the upcoming round, and we're going to take full advantage of that one little tiny thing that he's REALLY good at.

Meet ..

 

Christian Benteke

Yes guys, I had to go there. Take a good look at our 31yo Belgian. Finishing 11 - he couldn't hit a skippy ball if it were stuck to his feet. A Movement 11 - a one legged sloth moves faster over ice. And Decisions 10 - BettyGoal (my better half) makes quicker smarter decisions when she's out shopping for shoes, and let me tell you .. actually let's not. 

However.. there IS one little thing he CAN do. Strength 19 - he's strong he is! Aerial 17 - he can jump. Our lad is a bear on a trampoline. There's our one-trick-..bear and we're going to find the best possible formation to get the most out of his ability. We need goals, we need assist. Now which of the following 3 formations will suit Benteke's skills best for assists + goals?

 

Option A : Wingers ( 3-1-2-3-1 )

• 2 Wingers to feed Benteke over the air with crosses + an AP to feed him over the ground. A double BBM in midfield for additional support and since we face an easy opponent in TND we go Overload. Mixed passing, Mixed focus and Balanced Creative Freedom. We hope the quality crosses over a shorter distance will be the deciding factor today.
• Primary Support: Wingers
• Secondary Support: AP 

The Wingers

Spoiler

 

Option B : Wing-Backs ( 3-3-2-1-1 )

• 2 Wing-Backs instead of Wingers. Why? - we're attempting to get loads of crosses in (yes, quantity over quality today) in the hopes of getting an abundance of opportunities for Benteke. He might miss a lot + he might score a lot too. GK distribution thru Flanks. We focus passing also thru Flanks and lots of Early Crosses in. Let's try and keep Christian very busy!
• Primary Support: Wing-Backs
• Secondary Support: AP

The Wing-Backs

Spoiler

 

Option C : Striker Duo ( 3-5-2 )

• A mixed bag here. While option A and B focus on scoring Benteke goals, option C offers a chance for more assists. Wide Midfielders offer the occasional cross, but the double APs get many more passes thru the center. And now there's a quality Poacher circling TF Benteke to wait for the final ball and/or be on the end of loose or 2nd balls. Will the larger variety of support make the difference on the day?
• Primary Support: APs + P
• Secondary Support: WMs

The APs + P

Spoiler

 

For each of the 3 options above, the Super Cup game Porto (that's us) vs. TND (that's them) shall be played 10 times featuring a one-trick-bear-on-a-trampoline in Belgian Benteke disguised in a Target Man role. I will then calculate the average goals + assists per game ratio for each of the 3 options. The highest average GAPG wins. 

Everything else NOT mentioned in the options shall be  identical for all 3 options. Which option (A, B or C) do you think gets Christian the highest GA per game ratio? -> You may discuss the 3 options at length in this thread but do NOT reveal your answer. * PM me the answer! *

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by BatiGoal

[DutchTony]

This would have been easier if it was only his goals that counted. I keep changing my mind imagining different scenarios 😁

[StuartM]

This is going to be an education!

Surely C is the worst option 🤔

[AndersJ]

2 hours ago, DutchTony said:

This would have been easier if it was only his goals that counted. I keep changing my mind imagining different scenarios 😁

B is the answer.  It is known 😎

[leedsunited87]

He's absolutely awful! 💯 

[BatiGoal]

4 hours ago, DutchTony said:

This would have been easier if it was only his goals that counted. I keep changing my mind imagining different scenarios 😁

Tbf, it really isn't that easy. I mean, hopefully the 10 games per option is just enough to give us a fair indication of what's sensible and what works in general.

But!! ultimately the players make the roles so that very much depends per team. And!! roles (re)act differently per FMM version, so those details might be the deciding factor.

In the end, we're just experimenting, learning and having fun here 😉

[BatiGoal]

3 hours ago, StuartM said:

This is going to be an education!

Surely C is the worst option 🤔

Round 1 I was convinced A was worst. But I ended up picking the worst 😂

Not trying to mislead anyone, or am I ? Hehe, will start in a bit and hopefully get the results up over the weekend.

3 hours ago, AndersJ said:

B is the answer.  It is known 😎

Btw, you answered within 5min after posting. You're either nuts or a genius 🤣

46 minutes ago, leedsunited87 said:

He's absolutely awful! 💯 

Imagine a 3-way tie tho 😲

[DanEnglish]

This is really well done @BatiGoal - both interesting + with great graphics! 

In the 1st round, I was convinced everyone would vote for the same option (the right option) - and then was shocked.

In this 2nd round, I’d also expect most people to vote for the same option (but this time I think you’ll all be wrong 😜) - so am wondering if I’ll be shocked again.

Will vote now + will write my logic into Bati …

PS. All three tactics would be better with a high line + high press (very unlike me) - otherwise the weaker team may just keep the ball for ages across their back line!

Edited February 17, 2023 by DanEnglish

[BatiGoal]

10 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

This is really well done @BatiGoal - both interesting + with great graphics! 

Thanks, it's a little time consuming to think and write these entire things up, but fun too and worth it.

12 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

In this 2nd round, I’d also expect most people to vote for the same option (but this time I think you’ll all be wrong 😜) - so am wondering if I’ll be shocked again.

You're making everyone very nervous 😆

13 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

PS. All three tactics would be better with a high line + high press (very unlike me) - otherwise the weaker team may just keep the ball for ages across their back line!

Definitely crossed my mind, but I sort of want them to come out so I get more opportunities to cross the ball (for option A and B) Not that we're going to counter - the idea is to regain possession in midfield or our half (not their half) to then get many crosses in. But for the APs (option C) it should mean they'll get involved in the game more. Will it work tho? 🤔

[BatiGoal]

9/12 votes in.

Btw, if any of you have suggestions or ideas to include/exclude in future rounds let me know. Right now I'll try to keep each round very different to the next.

Round 3 will be a shortie tho, a breather for all of us 😉

[BatiGoal]

10/12 votes in. @Chris Rawlings and @Kanegan have yet to vote..

 

As for our one-trick-guy..

More like a no-trick-pony at the moment.. 🤨

[BatiGoal]

Quick note, @Sqwagalog has joined us so we now count 13 hopefuls 😁

As things stand ..

 

 

FMM Cup 2 Managers : Leaderboard

(After 1 Round..)

1.  3 pts - AndersJ
2.  3 pts - BakaSotong
3.  3 pts - DanEnglish 
4.  3 pts - DutchTony
5.  3 pts - leedsunited87
6.  3 pts - StuartM
7.  1 pts - broodje kip
8.  1 pts - Kun Aguero
9.  1 pts - Titjes
10.  0 pts - AtleticoWolves
11.  0 pts - Chris Rawlings
12.  0 pts - Kanegan
13.  0 pts - Sqwagalog

 

Results Round 2 tomorrow.. there was a tie-breaker needed to separate one option from another 😲