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This is my first or second time posting on here. I’ve started a save with Chelsea right and I just can’t seem to score or get results at all. I struggle making space to attack. If anyone would like to give me advice or help, that would be great. I’ll post my tactic below 

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Thanks for posting!

My main feedback is that your tactic is not attacking enough.

  • In possession, you have a front three which are far away from your rather defensive central midfield three.
  • I’d recommend either testing having a 4231 (moving the DMC to AMC), a 4231 DM (two DMs, one AMC), or if you keep the 41221 then change to more offensive midfield roles (AP, RP, B2B).
  • You likely need players moving into that space shaded in yellow …

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My main question for you is HOW do you want to score:

  • Crosses / Corners? Osimhen’s aerial / strength (15 each) are not enough to aerially dominate Premier League center backs. If you look at your match stats, how many ‘crosses attempted + succeeded do you have? You can also see Osimhen’s headers attempted + won. I bet both rates are <50% (probably 20-30%). If you recalled Lukaku back from loan, his aerial + strength would be sufficient to improve this. Edit - from memory, FBs Chilwell + James’ crossing are pretty good / suitable for this.
     
  • Through Balls? Perfect for Osimhen (& Lukaku’s) high pace. However (i) your high line means there less space for your attackers to run into, (ii) who is going to play these through balls? You’ll need midfielders in more advanced positions / roles to move in the AMRLC area to play these through balls. Edit - thankfully you have plenty of creative midfielders!
     
  • Long shots? Your high line / high press could help with this, but you’ve got ‘work into box’ selected, so you’re discouraging your players from shooting from distance, plus you don’t have attacking midfielders often in those positions to shoot.  
     
  • Pressing? You could try to intensely press the opposition defense to win the ball back quickly in good positions. Your high line / high press supports this. BUT (a) you don’t have players in advanced positions to press and (b) you aren’t using any pressing roles like PF, SS, BWMs or DWs. Example - if the opposition plays with 1-2 DMCs or a back three (41221, 4241 DM, or any back three formation), then that triangle / square will mean their DCs / DMCs will easily pass around your lone ST & avoid your press.

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Note - I recently wrote a pressing ‘guide’ on this site if you want to understand this more.

Suggestions - in summary:

  • Want to score more from crosses? Recall Lukaku, put him in a TM or poacher role + maybe change your FBs to WBs.
     
  • Want to score more from through balls? Change your midfield positions or roles to have two of them moving into those AMC areas - like a combo of SS, AM, AP, RP, and/or B2B. Perhaps also reduce your defensive line to normal + switch on ‘through balls’,
     
  • Want to score more from long shots? Same advice as above (for through balls), but switch on ‘shoots on sight’. 
     
  • Want to score more from pressing? Position more players in attacking areas (AM/Fs) + change to pressing roles (PF, SS, etc)

Thoughts? 🙂 

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26 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Thanks for posting!

My main feedback is that your tactic is not attacking enough.

  • In possession, you have a front three which are far away from your rather defensive central midfield three.
  • I’d recommend either testing having a 4231 (moving the DMC to AMC), a 4231 DM (two DMs, one AMC), or if you keep the 41221 then change to more offensive midfield roles (AP, RP, B2B).
  • You likely need players moving into that space shaded in yellow …

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My main question for you is HOW do you want to score:

  • Crosses / Corners? Osimhen’s aerial / strength (15 each) are not enough to aerially dominate Premier League center backs. If you look at your match stats, how many ‘crosses attempted + succeeded do you have? You can also see Osimhen’s headers attempted + won. I bet both rates are <50% (probably 20-30%). If you recalled Lukaku back from loan, his aerial + strength would be sufficient to improve this. 
     
  • Through Balls? Perfect for Osimhen (& Lukaku’s) high pace. However (i) your high line means there less space for your attackers to run into, (ii) who is going to play these through balls? You’ll need midfielders in more advanced positions / roles to move in the AMRLC area to play these through balls.
     
  • Long shots? Your high line / high press could help with this, but you’ve got ‘work into box’ selected, so your discouraging your players from shooting from distance, plus you don’t have attacking midfielders often in those positions to shoot.  
     
  • Pressing? You could try to intensely press the opposition defense to win the ball back quickly in good positions. Your high line / high press supports this. BUT (a) you don’t have players in advanced positions to press and (b) you aren’t using any pressing roles like PF, SS, BWMs or DWs. Example - if the opposition plays with 1-2 DMCs or a back three (41221, 4241 DM, or any back three formation), then that triangle / square will mean their DCs / DMCs will easily pass around your lone ST & avoid your press.

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Note - I recently wrote a pressing ‘guide’ on this site if you want to understand this more.

Suggestions - in summary:

  • Want to score more from crosses? Recall Lukaku, put him in a TM or poacher role + maybe change your FBs to WBs.
     
  • Want to score more from through balls? Change your midfield positions or roles to have two of them moving into those AMC areas - like a combo of AP, RP, and/or B2B. Perhaps also reduce your defensive line to normal + switch on ‘through balls’,
     
  • Want to score more from long shots? Same advice as above (for through balls), but switch on ‘shoots on sight’. 
     
  • Want to score more from pressing? Position more players in attacking areas (AM/Fs) + change to pressing roles (PF, SS, etc)

Thoughts? 🙂 

Okay firstly, thank you for replying! I’ve heard you help out a lot round here and that you’re good at it so thanks again!! 

Secondly, if I change to a 4232 formation which seems best as I have mount and havertz, what’s roles should I give my amc and also my two midfielders sitting a little bit deeper?

Thirdly, the through ball options sounds perfect for oshimen! So I will try that with the advice you gave me to set it up. 
The only thing now that I seem to struggle with is my wingers performing, I know IF’s aren’t as effective this year but my wingers always seem to have really bad avg ratings and don’t contribute enough to the team, so any advice on that at all would be great too. 
 

Cheers for the advice 🙂 

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59 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Thanks for posting!

My main feedback is that your tactic is not attacking enough.

  • In possession, you have a front three which are far away from your rather defensive central midfield three.
  • I’d recommend either testing having a 4231 (moving the DMC to AMC), a 4231 DM (two DMs, one AMC), or if you keep the 41221 then change to more offensive midfield roles (AP, RP, B2B).
  • You likely need players moving into that space shaded in yellow …

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My main question for you is HOW do you want to score:

  • Crosses / Corners? Osimhen’s aerial / strength (15 each) are not enough to aerially dominate Premier League center backs. If you look at your match stats, how many ‘crosses attempted + succeeded do you have? You can also see Osimhen’s headers attempted + won. I bet both rates are <50% (probably 20-30%). If you recalled Lukaku back from loan, his aerial + strength would be sufficient to improve this. Edit - from memory, FBs Chilwell + James’ crossing are pretty good / suitable for this.
     
  • Through Balls? Perfect for Osimhen (& Lukaku’s) high pace. However (i) your high line means there less space for your attackers to run into, (ii) who is going to play these through balls? You’ll need midfielders in more advanced positions / roles to move in the AMRLC area to play these through balls. Edit - thankfully you have plenty of creative midfielders!
     
  • Long shots? Your high line / high press could help with this, but you’ve got ‘work into box’ selected, so you’re discouraging your players from shooting from distance, plus you don’t have attacking midfielders often in those positions to shoot.  
     
  • Pressing? You could try to intensely press the opposition defense to win the ball back quickly in good positions. Your high line / high press supports this. BUT (a) you don’t have players in advanced positions to press and (b) you aren’t using any pressing roles like PF, SS, BWMs or DWs. Example - if the opposition plays with 1-2 DMCs or a back three (41221, 4241 DM, or any back three formation), then that triangle / square will mean their DCs / DMCs will easily pass around your lone ST & avoid your press.

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Note - I recently wrote a pressing ‘guide’ on this site if you want to understand this more.

Suggestions - in summary:

  • Want to score more from crosses? Recall Lukaku, put him in a TM or poacher role + maybe change your FBs to WBs.
     
  • Want to score more from through balls? Change your midfield positions or roles to have two of them moving into those AMC areas - like a combo of SS, AM, AP, RP, and/or B2B. Perhaps also reduce your defensive line to normal + switch on ‘through balls’,
     
  • Want to score more from long shots? Same advice as above (for through balls), but switch on ‘shoots on sight’. 
     
  • Want to score more from pressing? Position more players in attacking areas (AM/Fs) + change to pressing roles (PF, SS, etc)

Thoughts? 🙂 

@DanEnglish so you could put this down to a bad game but is there anything you’d change tactically too? There just seems to be nothing but mistakes and bad passes. 
Again any advice would be much appreciated! Thank you 

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Nice 👍 so your two questions around (A) wide attackers + (B) central midfield are directly related to each other - so let’s try to consider your options. 
 

Part (A) - Wide Attackers

42 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

The only thing now that I seem to struggle with is my wingers performing, I know IF’s aren’t as effective this year but my wingers always seem to have really bad avg ratings and don’t contribute enough to the team, so any advice on that at all would be great too. 

I’m not an expert with this on this years FMM, but there seem to be a few solid options from the Vibe community:

  1. IFs in the FR/L positions - as the (long!) discussions in the ‘Black Hawk’ tactic thread, moving the IFs further forward - from the AMR/L position, into the FR/L positions. But may take time for your IFs to contribute significantly. Would suit your high press.
     
  2. Wingers on ‘Narrow’ width - as @sscout has shown in his recent ‘Tic-Tac’ overloading 442, wingers in the MR/L positions (when the team has ‘narrow’ width) act like IFs used to, as the wingers move up into the ST positions (FRC and FLC) when the team are in possession. But may not fit your wide attackers that well (can they play in the MR/L positions?)
     
  3. Move the players inside to become SS - you could move both wide players inside into the AMLC + AMRC positions, to become more central SS. This reminds us of @Mushy’s solid 5230 formation which I tested in my ‘testing tactics’ thread. But would weaken your press + may not suit your players.
     
  4. Have a wide AP to play more through balls - have one wide attacker as an AP, to drift inside onto their preferred foot to play through balls to your ST. As Osimhen is right footed, I’d recommend a left footed AP with high passing in the AMR position - like Havertz, Felix, Ziyech or in future Madueke (after he improves his passing). This used to work brilliantly in past FMM versions but haven’t tested in this version. The wide AP may weaken your press though.  
     
  5. Other roles may also work - IW, Winger on non-narrow widths, etc. But I won’t consider them here, as the options above are the main ones.

Depending on which option you prefer, that influences your midfield role selection … (coming next) …

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10 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

@DanEnglish so you could put this down to a bad game but is there anything you’d change tactically too? There just seems to be nothing but mistakes and bad passes. 
Again any advice would be much appreciated! Thank you 

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Have you got screenshots of (1) their formation, and (2) both sides’ player stats screens - called ‘home stats’ + ‘away stats’ … ?

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9 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Have you got screenshots of (1) their formation, and (2) both sides’ player stats screens - called ‘home stats’ + ‘away stats’ … ?

Firstly, this is the tactic I’ve come up with. If you can’t tell I’m fairly new to fm lol. Any pointers or tips on tactic would be great. 
I’ve got Liverpool in the league next and this is what my analyst gave me to work with, any tips on how to tackle this side?

Lastly sorry I’m not sure how to get up home data or away stats sorry 

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11 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

Lastly sorry I’m not sure how to get up home data or away stats sorry 

Click on the fixture you want to see:

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Then click on the top-right icon (three horizontal lines) …

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Then click on home stats + away stats 

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5 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Click on the fixture you want to see:

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Then click on the top-right icon (three horizontal lines) …

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Then click on home stats + away stats 

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I feel like this would be better to show but just drew to Everton and we played awful but this is the home and away stats 

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Part (B) - Central Midfield Roles

1 hour ago, Jamo2001 said:

if I change to a 4232 formation which seems best as I have mount and havertz, what’s roles should I give my amc and also my two midfielders sitting a little bit deeper?

So if you want to score via through balls - then you’ll need CREATORS in the AMRLC positions (to play the through balls) + RUNNERS who move into the FRLC positions (to run onto the through balls)

Depending on your wide attacker choices - here’s some options of how you could setup your central midfield … 
 

The Black Hawk 4123

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If you have IFs in the FR/L positions - then why not use @Black Hawk central midfield setup? 

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  • All three midfielder move into the AM positions, enabling them to play more through balls.
  • In big games, you may want a more conservative approach - like an Anchor at DMC and FBs (not WBs) 

 
Narrow Wingers

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If you are using narrow wingers (like @sscout 442) to move either side of  Osimhen upfront - then you’ll still need sone central midfield creators in that shaded yellow zone:

Spoiler
  • With an DMC - you could use the same central midfield setup as the Black Hawk
  • With an AMC - or you can do something like the image above, where the AMC + B2B both move forward into that yellow shaded zone.
  • ⚠️ Warning - having an AMC makes you offensively stronger, but the lack of a DMC makes you defensively weaker.

  
Move Inside as SS’s

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Not my favorited option - but if you did move your wide attackers inside to become SS - then your central midfielders would still need to both be involved in build up play from the back (hence a DLP) and play through balls from the yellow zone (AP and maybe a B2B). 

 
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This one looks fun. If you have a wide AP on the right (creator #1), then they’ll look to drift inside + play through balls to right footed Osimhen. Edit - perhaps not for beginners, as will likely need tweaking!

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  • Creator #2 -  I’ve also setup an AP (in the AMC position) to play through balls into your ST + IF
  • Creator #3 - if you want to be really hip - an IWB in the DML position will MOVE FORWARD into the AMLC position - to also play through balls to the ST + IF !
  • This has only two runners/finishers, one less than the other tactics above.
  • MCs - you want these to keep out of the way, away from the AMRLC positions, to give space to your 3 creators. Hence a CM and DLP would be fine. You could even pull these back into the DMC positions if you want - particularly in big games.

 
Thoughts? 🙂 

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While @DanEnglish approach might work, I do personally shy away from changing formation mid-season. Not exactly a disagreement, but this is how I'd do it.

7 hours ago, Jamo2001 said:

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DLP to AP, both FB to wingback.

For the rest, I'd probably turn off all the instructions except Control Mentality, High Line and Offside Trap for now. Re-introduce them later as tweaks.

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1 hour ago, Jamo2001 said:

I feel like this would be better to show but just drew to Everton and we played awful but this is the home and away stats 

Thanks for sharing - yes this highlights your key problems with your new 4231 …

Key Points: play your best strikers, either eliminate or utilize crosses, and always have a spare man in defense / defensive midfield. This 1-1 makes complete sense to me, just through these two screenshots.

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 Crossing
Red Boxes - your team attempted 16 crosses (inc. corners), only 3 were successful. That means +80% were wasted. Especially from your FBs. Ouch. Why … ?

 Heading
Orange Box - … your front four all have lower aerial than the oppositions DCs. So they only won 1 of their 12 headers. Hence the wasted crosses. Why put Havertz upfront? 

  • Either don’t cross (play IWBs or a ‘center’ passing focus) …
  • … or play FBs / WBs + recall Lukaku for upfront.

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CREATING
Green box - your midfield + attackers played 13 key passes to create chances. That’s good 👍 … so why did you only score once … ?

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Yellow box - your team took 15 shots, with 7 on target, but only 1 goal … why?

  • AMC Loftus-Cheek took the most number of shots, BUT he starts the season with just a 12 for shooting. What a waste 😭
  • ST Havertz took your second most shots, but his 16 shooting is far worse than Osimhen’s 19 + Lukaku’s 20 attributes. Waste.
  • Your two wide attackers only took 3 shots between them. I’d certainly consider changing their positions / roles to get at least your AML more involved (as your AMR played lots of key passes).

⚠️ DEFENDING
Blue box in the above image - do you see how three of your defenders made 22 header attempts, losing 8 of them … that’s high … what happened there … ?!

⚠️ Opposition / LONG BALLS
Blue box in image below - Everton’s front four made 20 header attempts, winning 7 of them (mostly from Calvert-Lewin). That roughly matches our defence’s headers …

  •  Not Crosses - we can see their FBs made zero (0) crosses …
  •  Long Balls - … therefore their attackers’ headed attempts must be from direct / long balls forward.
  • ⚠️ No spare man - as Everton played a 442, it means their 4 attackers matched our 4 defenders - we do NOT have a spare man in defence / defensive midfield!
  • So what? When they play long balls, they’ll create chances if (1) they win the header attempt and/or (2) they win the 2nd ball … so they could easily score from just a few chances!

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This is exactly what happened = they had just 3 shots, but scored 1. Every time they launch a ball forward (especially to Calvert-Lewin) in their 442, we don’t have a spare man defensively, so they can have a small number of very good chances.

Thoughts? 🙂 

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50 minutes ago, Meow said:

DLP to AP, both FB to wingback.

For the rest, I'd probably turn off all the instructions except Control Mentality, High Line and Offside Trap for now. Re-introduce them later as tweaks.

If you don’t want to change tactic mid-season, then yes @Meow’s suggestions are very good + I agree with them.

One note if you do this + play with WBs - then you really need to either to focus play through the ‘center’ or recall Lukaku to dominate those WBs crosses. Otherwise you’ll have even more wasted crosses. Just some advice.

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1 hour ago, DanEnglish said:

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One more supplement for DanEnglish about possession or (pass number). Your opponent (Everton) has more pass than your team. 

Your opponents have not been pressed by you enough. and They do much well than you. They made more tackling  and interception by MFs and Forwards. 

Usually, two solutions.

A,  to close down your opponents as much as possible. For this, you may find another post by DanEnglish about chose down. 

B, to put a player in the hole of opponents which one could disturb the defense shape, 

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@DanEnglish @rseven @Meow

Thank you all for advice and tips, I’ll apply all the advice you guys have given me here and update you at the end of the season, I’m halfway through at the moment. I really appreciate the help and for not calling me stupid 😂
Hopefully if done right I can be successful! 

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10 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

@DanEnglish @rseven @Meow

Thank you all for advice and tips, I’ll apply all the advice you guys have given me here and update you at the end of the season, I’m halfway through at the moment. I really appreciate the help and for not calling me stupid 😂
Hopefully if done right I can be successful! 

Again I’m bad at analysing data and to be fair I barely know what half of these mean but I have a good idea, I’ve had these two home games and a draw against a weak Middlesbrough side and then it had to go to pens in the cup against Sunderland😂 can you guys identify what’s going wrong here? 
I changed the tactic. It’s a 4123 with two BBM and sitting behind is a RPM, playing through the centre instruction on with through balls on. 

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4 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

Again I’m bad at analysing data and to be fair I barely know what half of these mean but I have a good idea, I’ve had these two home games and a draw against a weak Middlesbrough side and then it had to go to pens in the cup against Sunderland😂 can you guys identify what’s going wrong here? 
I changed the tactic. It’s a 4123 with two BBM and sitting behind is a RPM, playing through the centre instruction on with through balls on. 

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This is how I’m set up at the moment 

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21 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

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I'm seeing a lot of key chances created without the assist.

I'd certainly be pissed and start looking at the highlights to see who is fluffing them.

Do you notice anything from the highlights? 

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11 minutes ago, Meow said:

I'd certainly be pissed and start looking at the highlights to see who is fluffing them.

Just wanted to point out it's kinda funny that De Jong had 6 key passes made but also 5 shots attempted and only 2 on target. Now that's one guy who can't complain about others wasting his killer passes. 

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8 minutes ago, sscout said:

Just wanted to point out it's kinda funny that De Jong had 6 key passes made but also 5 shots attempted and only 2 on target. Now that's one guy who can't complain about others wasting his killer passes. 

This save is the death of me 😂

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20 minutes ago, Meow said:

I'm seeing a lot of key chances created without the assist.

I'd certainly be pissed and start looking at the highlights to see who is fluffing them.

Do you notice anything from the highlights? 

We just seem to miss everything, either don’t have a lot of shots or waste chances like hell. I feel like it’s just everyone😅I just battered arsenal 4-1 but then lose 2-1 to Bmg🥲

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38 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

Again I’m bad at analysing data and to be fair I barely know what half of these mean but I have a good idea, I’ve had these two home games and a draw against a weak Middlesbrough side and then it had to go to pens in the cup against Sunderland😂 can you guys identify what’s going wrong here? 
I changed the tactic. It’s a 4123 with two BBM and sitting behind is a RPM, playing through the centre instruction on with through balls on. 

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Hmmm your CDs appear to be doing well, IWBs as well are doing alright. 

So let's say your defence doesn't need any changes. 

De jong appears to be performing superbly as well in his DM role, getting a fair amount of key passes(tho a suspicious amount of shots that one game, did you play him as a RP then? Oh it seems you did, yeahhhh RPs tend to waste shots a lot, so be careful playing those.) 

That leaves your BBMs and the front trio, so everything up until now feels like a solid foundation you can build an attack upon. You can two capable CDs who can handle threats between the two of them, and a playmaking DM flanked by IWBs for additional support. 

So here's what I'd say, ditch the BBMs and go for APs or RPs. You'll need that extra bite in attack to get you some goals. Now you might ask what if they waste shots or take too many outside of the box shots? Well what I say to that is that as long as they're not incredibly selfish players and you don't got shoot on sight on, they will pass to a player better positioned further up the pitch than them. APs more so than RPs in my opinion. So the next step is having your finishers be in the right place. And for that, I'd say first things first, go narrow. Since you're already focusing play down the centre, you're asking your players to congest the centre and to try and keep the ball there. The ball will still go to the flanks of course, because this congestion in the middle with free up space on the flanks for your IFs to run into. And also switch the AF for a P/TM/DLF because those will stay more centrally than an AF which has the tendency to drift wide to create chances for other players. Which you don't want as you've got this solid base to play the ball forward from which means you'll want a strong and static central presence. 

Welllll I kinda need to sleep now, and I might even have said some off stuff because I'm half asleep but I hope this helps. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jamo2001 said:

I just battered arsenal 4-1 but then lose 2-1 to Bmg🥲

Honestly this seems like you're on track kinda. When you make changes and tweaks, don't be too eager to change it again after 1 bad result.

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8 minutes ago, Meow said:

Honestly this seems like you're on track kinda. When you make changes and tweaks, don't be too eager to change it again after 1 bad result.

Thank you, I appreciate you advice and insight. I’ll play till end of season and update you all on where I finish and how it goes! 

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8 minutes ago, sscout said:

Hmmm your CDs appear to be doing well, IWBs as well are doing alright. 

So let's say your defence doesn't need any changes. 

De jong appears to be performing superbly as well in his DM role, getting a fair amount of key passes(tho a suspicious amount of shots that one game, did you play him as a RP then? Oh it seems you did, yeahhhh RPs tend to waste shots a lot, so be careful playing those.) 

That leaves your BBMs and the front trio, so everything up until now feels like a solid foundation you can build an attack upon. You can two capable CDs who can handle threats between the two of them, and a playmaking DM flanked by IWBs for additional support. 

So here's what I'd say, ditch the BBMs and go for APs or RPs. You'll need that extra bite in attack to get you some goals. Now you might ask what if they waste shots or take too many outside of the box shots? Well what I say to that is that as long as they're not incredibly selfish players and you don't got shoot on sight on, they will pass to a player better positioned further up the pitch than them. APs more so than RPs in my opinion. So the next step is having your finishers be in the right place. And for that, I'd say first things first, go narrow. Since you're already focusing play down the centre, you're asking your players to congest the centre and to try and keep the ball there. The ball will still go to the flanks of course, because this congestion in the middle with free up space on the flanks for your IFs to run into. And also switch the AF for a P/TM/DLF because those will stay more centrally than an AF which has the tendency to drift wide to create chances for other players. Which you don't want as you've got this solid base to play the ball forward from which means you'll want a strong and static central presence. 

Welllll I kinda need to sleep now, and I might even have said some off stuff because I'm half asleep but I hope this helps. 

 

I’ll definitely take what you said into account and tweak some things! Thank you man, go get some rest 😂

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1 hour ago, sscout said:

So the next step is having your finishers be in the right place. And for that, I'd say first things first, go narrow. Since you're already focusing play down the centre, you're asking your players to congest the centre and to try and keep the ball there. The ball will still go to the flanks of course, because this congestion in the middle with free up space on the flanks for your IFs to run into. And also switch the AF for a P/TM/DLF because those will stay more centrally than an AF which has the tendency to drift wide to create chances for other players. Which you don't want as you've got this solid base to play the ball forward from which means you'll want a strong and static central presence. 

Agree + agree 👍 

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Well guys, that’s my season done and dusted, incredibly poor form towards the end of the season, not sure what went wrong to be fair😅

Thanks for all the pointers and tips though guys, if you have anymore for me then let me know! Hopefully next season won’t be like this one 😂

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Congrats on finishing that first season. Chelsea has a squad full of young, exiting talent, so they should get better + better 👍 

A couple of questions + potential recommendations for you:

  • DLP - why did you choose a DLP in midfield (who’ll try to drop deep)? As you already have another DMC and an IWB on that side which will be trying to take the same positions, I’d recommend changing your DLP to a B2B.
  • IFs - the Vibe community seems to mostly agree that IFs are more effective further forward on the FR / FL row, not in the AMR / AML row. Any reason why you’ve pulled them back? 🙂
  • Weaker Opposition DCs - in an individual match, if your opposition DCs have weaker aerial/strength than Osimhen’s, then I’d recommend changing at least one IWB to a WB (for width + crosses).
  • Offside Trap - if you watch the highlights, is this useful for you? If you have speedy DCs, then I’d switch this off

 

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On 23/03/2023 at 02:05, DanEnglish said:

Note - I recently wrote a pressing ‘guide’ on this site if you want to understand this more.

Would love to read it but can't find it! Would appreciate it if someone could post the link. Thanks!

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Here’s the pressing guide. 

Key Point - if you want a high intense press, have lots of players forward and/or specialist pressing roles.

The formations / tactics shown are just as examples of what you’d need - don’t actually use them for a season!
 

 

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