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Help How to counter tactics and formation of Opponent ? (mobile)


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**----**AS i understood - you cant play with the same tactics every match in fm mobile 23 ,you will loose..You need different formation and tactic for each opponent and there is a logic how to do that properly

??? does any one have guide of principles how to counter opponents formation and tactics ?Maybe you have article about that ?

**----**For example I have difficulties playing against this formation.

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!!! i was playing  against this team as on photo maybe 5-6 times always with different tactics and the best one resulted in draw

By the way I play mostly with Blackpool with 5-2-3 formation, and trying to find some others to switch if first one does bot help:)

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Huh. I thought this was a guide which you wrote. Actually you’re asking for help. You may want to change this thread’s tag.

Plug and Play:

  • so you CAN use the same tactics in every game, with no changes
  • … BUT yes it is often more effective to tweak / change it according to the match’s status and/or the opposition tactic  
  • (unless your squad is so dominant that you’ll win anyway) 
     
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??? does any one have guide of principles how to counter opponents formation and tactics ?

The general guidance in football tactics is:

  • Your Defense > Their Attack:
    have one more defender than they have attackers - so if they have 2 central STs, you’ll need need 3 DCs - unless yours are much better than theirs.
  • Stop Their Creator
    If they have an AMC (or an attacking MC e.g. AP, RP) - then you’ll need a DMC (or a defensive MC e.g. BWM or Anchor) to cover them - unless yours are much better than theirs.
  • Match or Overload in Attack
    If they plan a 442, then it’s great to have 2 STs against their 2 DCs (one mistake & you’ve overloaded them) - that’s why having 2 STs + 2 Wingers (on narrow width) is so effective, as it acts like 4 central STs vs their 2-3 DCs.

As an example, I often switch between a 4231 / 41221 formation …

  • BUT I get slaughtered vs an opposition 5212 / 5221 / 442 diamond 😡 where they either match or overload my DCs or DMCs…
  • … so then I switch to my trusty 3142 (three DCs, an Anchor, two DWs) - which stops them from scoring / prevents them from killing me.

Is that a good start towards answering your question? 🙂 others can add on / disagree / etc 👍 

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PS. if you specifically want to 🛑 stop their passing 🛑 (I.e. through pressing them) - then I wrote a guide to the ‘intense press’ somewhere on this site last year 👍 your 

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Let me add to the above : it will not be superfluous to apply "man marking". Specifically against 442 - I try to mark either both attacks of the opponent or one of the ST. Try it if it helps you. 

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6 hours ago, till malkovich said:

Let me add to the above : it will not be superfluous to apply "man marking". Specifically against 442 - I try to mark either both attacks of the opponent or one of the ST. Try it if it helps you. 

thank you, I will try.Do you always do " man marking with your defenders against stronger teams ? Does it help ?

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12 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Huh. I thought this was a guide which you wrote. Actually you’re asking for help. You may want to change this thread’s tag.

Plug and Play:

  • so you CAN use the same tactics in every game, with no changes
  • … BUT yes it is often more effective to tweak / change it according to the match’s status and/or the opposition tactic  
  • (unless your squad is so dominant that you’ll win anyway) 
     

The general guidance in football tactics is:

  • Your Defense > Their Attack:
    have one more defender than they have attackers - so if they have 2 central STs, you’ll need need 3 DCs - unless yours are much better than theirs.
  • Stop Their Creator
    If they have an AMC (or an attacking MC e.g. AP, RP) - then you’ll need a DMC (or a defensive MC e.g. BWM or Anchor) to cover them - unless yours are much better than theirs.
  • Match or Overload in Attack
    If they plan a 442, then it’s great to have 2 STs against their 2 DCs (one mistake & you’ve overloaded them) - that’s why having 2 STs + 2 Wingers (on narrow width) is so effective, as it acts like 4 central STs vs their 2-3 DCs.

As an example, I often switch between a 4231 / 41221 formation …

  • BUT I get slaughtered vs an opposition 5212 / 5221 / 442 diamond 😡 where they either match or overload my DCs or DMCs…
  • … so then I switch to my trusty 3142 (three DCs, an Anchor, two DWs) - which stops them from scoring / prevents them from killing me.

Is that a good start towards answering your question? 🙂 others can add on / disagree / etc 👍 

Thank you.Amazing response) I will try it and maybe  always play with your formation guidance)  I think I have no questions about formation.But I have several more questions how two counter their tactics and playing style?

1) What tactics changes in "shape" "attack" and etc should I make against each formation or maybe even against opponent playing style ? Are there working principles about that just like in guidance with formation you send me.

i mean counter tactics for gegenpress,tikitaka,vetical tiki take and counter attack styles.

And also whether I have to change tactic for each opponent formation

2) So I guess against 442 I have to play 3-2-4 am I right ? and you suggest playing narrow, right ?

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4 hours ago, mukipuki said:

thank you, I will try.Do you always do " man marking with your defenders against stronger teams ? Does it help ?

I only use marking against roles such as  ( AP / AM / W / P / TF )

I do not advise using guardianship against "mobile roles" - ( which can take away your guardian player, giving space and opportunity to other enemy players ) - such as (  RP / BBM / TRQ / AF / IF / IW / PF / DLF / CF / SS ). IMHO

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In order for the "man marking" to work as it should, it is important that your caretaker player is synergized (there is a green line of chemistry between the players) with a teammate or your closest player in position, so that he closes the gap left behind you. 

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against a 442, i would have two of my defenders man mark... and my two wide players man mark

I usually set up as a 352

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This is a very interesting discussion. I understand the need of a quick fix to deny Swansea and the answers are accurate about that.

What I can add is to not forget firstly to concentrate on the quality of your players. I don't specifically know Blackpool but for sure they have some you can use. 

On a long period you will obtain bigger improvements if you find a tactic that suits your players than a set of formations to deny opponents. The most important principle is not to give instructions that belong to opposite tactical approaches at the same time. 

Moerover there is no magical formula or fixed rules to stop opponents. You must try what is the best for players you have at the moment. Even going through defeats or changing during the match. 

An example: I have utilized man marking in different pitch zones and it was more or less beneficial depending on the marker qualities and on the opponent ones....but you can imagine man marking Mbappè is useless 9 times to 10. 

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