Chat CPU GAME PROBLEM

[Pinuccio]

Hello friends, I've always wondered why some users use tactics with just one defender and everyone in attack and manage to win. In real football without defense you lose the match!! I saw that the CPU in the 2D match, extended mode, works very well with the latest updates, but there is an Achilles' heel in the important game. As you can see, my players, after having trained them in the weak role, are now all at the highest level. The game's CPU doesn't do this. The CPU fields players who are not skilled in the tactical role. This is because the CPU does not select the best players but deploys those who have the role that suits the individual tactical position If the CPU tactic uses a midfielder, the game places the player with the midfielder characteristic on the field, it will not put the best player in that role. I attach the screens of the CPU tactics. Therefore we users, beyond tactics, will always have an advantage, especially the more experienced users of the game.

[Pinuccio]

my players trained in the new role, here is the result.

[Pinuccio]

CPU team.

[SSolas]

Hey @Pinuccio! I totally get what you're saying about those tactics with just one defender - it can be surprising how effective they can be in the game! It's interesting to see how the CPU operates in matches, but it's true that having a solid defense is crucial in real football.

It sounds like you've put in a lot of effort into training your players for their specific roles. It's a shame that the CPU doesn't always prioritize the best players for each tactical position, focusing more on role suitability instead.

Edited March 17, 2024 by SSolas

[Pinuccio]

15 minutes ago, SSolas said:

Hey @Pinuccio! I totally get what you're saying about those tactics with just one defender - it can be surprising how effective they can be in the game! It's interesting to see how the CPU operates in matches, but it's true that having a solid defense is crucial in real football.

It sounds like you've put in a lot of effort into training your players for their specific roles. It's a shame that the CPU doesn't always prioritize the best players for each tactical position, focusing more on role suitability instead.

It's a real disappointment not to be able to see the opposing CPU fielding the best for every single role. If the developers could fix this it would be a game with more realism and difficulty. Winning easily gets boring in the long run and doesn't offer realism.

[Pinuccio]

20 minutes ago, SSolas said:

Hey @Pinuccio! I totally get what you're saying about those tactics with just one defender - it can be surprising how effective they can be in the game! It's interesting to see how the CPU operates in matches, but it's true that having a solid defense is crucial in real football.

It sounds like you've put in a lot of effort into training your players for their specific roles. It's a shame that the CPU doesn't always prioritize the best players for each tactical position, focusing more on role suitability instead.

Thank you for your reply and we hope that football manager is a game that can always present difficulties in achieving victory.

[SSolas]

I completely understand where you're coming from. It can be frustrating when the opposing CPU doesn't provide a real challenge in every position. Realism and difficulty are key to keeping the game engaging in the long run. Let's hope the developers take this feedback on board to enhance the overall experience.

[rseven]

1 hour ago, SSolas said:

I completely understand where you're coming from. It can be frustrating when the opposing CPU doesn't provide a real challenge in every position. Realism and difficulty are key to keeping the game engaging in the long run. Let's hope the developers take this feedback on board to enhance the overall experience.

AI replies?

Edited March 17, 2024 by rseven

[Franky1971]

CPU is also hopeless at rotation or giving selection priority to players with higher morale. It's all designed to give managers an advantage and allow them to excel. You've even got an in-game editor so novice players can buff up their team and become Pep Guardiola overnight. Without this, the game would lose most of its players and that's not what the developers want. The difficulty level is low in order to maintain the user base....... just level up your playing roster and you can go from non league to Premier League winners within 10 years. That makes managers think they're the dog's bollocks so they keep coming back for more. If you were stuck in League 2 mid table limbo for several seasons (which would be pretty realistic), you're not coming back for more of the same 😂

Edited March 17, 2024 by Franky1971

[leedsunited87]

Completely agree with the above, AI are pretty useless, but what we have to remember is, it's a game, and AI on most "games" are actually, really terrible 

[Pinuccio]

16 hours ago, Franky1971 said:

CPU is also hopeless at rotation or giving selection priority to players with higher morale. It's all designed to give managers an advantage and allow them to excel. You've even got an in-game editor so novice players can buff up their team and become Pep Guardiola overnight. Without this, the game would lose most of its players and that's not what the developers want. The difficulty level is low in order to maintain the user base....... just level up your playing roster and you can go from non league to Premier League winners within 10 years. That makes managers think they're the dog's bollocks so they keep coming back for more. If you were stuck in League 2 mid table limbo for several seasons (which would be pretty realistic), you're not coming back for more of the same 😂

very good, you deserve an award. I totally agree. I enjoy posting tactics and have stopped posting results. Either with just 1 defender or with 5 defenders your tactic will always be successful because the CPU is not able to be competitive. I limit myself to publishing tactics trying to give a philosophy or a hint of realism, now every tactic is a winner unless you destroy the morale of your players or make the wrong speeches. In FM it is unacceptable to manage a mediocre Serie C team and within a short time find yourself in Serie A or go to the Champions League. Can you imagine Taranto (for example) in the champions league? I honestly NO!! Unless a Saudi, owner of the club, arrives with golden underwear. For this reason I stopped managing small teams but only top teams. At least if I win with Liverpool, Manchester City, Inter, Bayern it can be justifiable.

Edited March 18, 2024 by Pinuccio

[Pinuccio]

13 hours ago, leedsunited87 said:

Completely agree with the above, AI are pretty useless, but what we have to remember is, it's a game, and AI on most "games" are actually, really terrible 

hi friend, very little would be enough. it would be better if he at least had the ability to better manage the rooster and select players in the right place. The problem arises from the database. All players have the option to play a second minor role or other roles. If the database had only one playable role for each player, the CPU would not place a center forward in midfield who also has the second role as a midfielder. I come from the famous FIFA manager and I assure you that wrong positions on that game, now dead in 2014, were never seen and caused considerable difficulties.

[leedsunited87]

8 hours ago, Pinuccio said:

hi friend, very little would be enough. it would be better if he at least had the ability to better manage the rooster and select players in the right place. The problem arises from the database. All players have the option to play a second minor role or other roles. If the database had only one playable role for each player, the CPU would not place a center forward in midfield who also has the second role as a midfielder. I come from the famous FIFA manager and I assure you that wrong positions on that game, now dead in 2014, were never seen and caused considerable difficulties.

No I completely agree, just have to have a fairness I guess, and from playing games from the mighty ateri (I'm a Old man now haha, through ps1 right up to the ps5. Had every console going, and CPU have always been, pretty useless haha) that's why I like to challenge myself on FM (being man City, Rangers, celtic, fc bayern, real Madrid, I could go on and on) it's TOO easy, makes the game boring. So I go for the lesser teams, especially 5/6 years in England, you can always count on Rotherham to be bankrupt and in the national league. Would love for Marc to put in a points deduction for nexts years game. Would make me a very happy chappy 

[Pinuccio]

56 minutes ago, leedsunited87 said:

No I completely agree, just have to have a fairness I guess, and from playing games from the mighty ateri (I'm a Old man now haha, through ps1 right up to the ps5. Had every console going, and CPU have always been, pretty useless haha) that's why I like to challenge myself on FM (being man City, Rangers, celtic, fc bayern, real Madrid, I could go on and on) it's TOO easy, makes the game boring. So I go for the lesser teams, especially 5/6 years in England, you can always count on Rotherham to be bankrupt and in the national league. Would love for Marc to put in a points deduction for nexts years game. Would make me a very happy chappy 

but you know that you convinced me, you made me want to try playing with a smaller team again. I just have to choose whether to play in Italy, Germany, Spain or England

[leedsunited87]

1 hour ago, Pinuccio said:

but you know that you convinced me, you made me want to try playing with a smaller team again. I just have to choose whether to play in Italy, Germany, Spain or England

Haha I wasn't looking at convincing you but ho haha. Just the way I look at things, I'm a veteran on FMM now, and makes the game alot more fun, I remember one my saves just before, Bilbao had just been relegated to 2 la liga. And were around mid tableish, I manged to promote some good youngsters, sell dead wood, and win the league. I mean it wasn't as easy as I thought, mainly because they only buy basque players, so indeed that's a challenge on its own haha, just took over as reading boss, started 18th, think I'm 7th now, always checking on Rotherham as there always going bankrupt and roll down the leagues, best one I saw was Norwich City, of all clubs were bankrupt and in league one. I think 23rd 😄 🤣 😂 

[Pinuccio]

3 hours ago, leedsunited87 said:

Haha I wasn't looking at convincing you but ho haha. Just the way I look at things, I'm a veteran on FMM now, and makes the game alot more fun, I remember one my saves just before, Bilbao had just been relegated to 2 la liga. And were around mid tableish, I manged to promote some good youngsters, sell dead wood, and win the league. I mean it wasn't as easy as I thought, mainly because they only buy basque players, so indeed that's a challenge on its own haha, just took over as reading boss, started 18th, think I'm 7th now, always checking on Rotherham as there always going bankrupt and roll down the leagues, best one I saw was Norwich City, of all clubs were bankrupt and in league one. I think 23rd 😄 🤣 😂 

The idea of managing Everton is tickling me. They're still a premier league team but their 10 point penalty is making me hungry.

😜😜

[IdkLegit_]

On 17/03/2024 at 08:53, Pinuccio said:

Ciao amici, mi sono sempre chiesto perché alcuni utenti usano tattiche con un solo difensore e tutti in attacco e riescono a vincere. Nel calcio vero senza difesa perdi la partita!! Ho visto che la CPU nella partita 2D, modalità estesa, funziona molto bene con gli ultimi aggiornamenti, ma c'è un tallone d'Achille nella partita importante. Come vedete, i miei giocatori, dopo averli allenati nel ruolo debole, ora sono tutti al massimo livello. La CPU del gioco non fa questo. La CPU schiera giocatori che non sono abili nel ruolo tattico. Questo perché la CPU non seleziona i giocatori migliori ma schiera quelli che hanno il ruolo che si adatta alla posizione tattica individuale. Se la tattica della CPU utilizza un centrocampista, il gioco mette in campo il giocatore con la caratteristica del centrocampista, non metterà il giocatore migliore in quel ruolo. Allego gli screen delle tattiche della CPU. Quindi noi utenti, al di là delle tattiche, avremo sempre un vantaggio, soprattutto gli utenti più esperti del gioco.

the meta is the attack, playing offensively, in fact with the offensive tactics I managed to get some satisfaction, such as climbing with Foggia from the C series to the champions, winning a championship with Cadiz (101 points) and a national cup and doing the treble with Juve