Chat Staff combination for producing wonder kids in youth intake?

[Fortune456]

I've been getting messed up youth intakes in my save. Does anyone know how to combine staffs in your club to maximize potential wonder kids in your youth intake?

Or does it have to do with the country you're playing in(league)?

[Stythe]

On 28/09/2024 at 05:54, Fortune456 said:

I've been getting messed up youth intakes in my save. Does anyone know how to combine staffs in your club to maximize potential wonder kids in your youth intake?

Or does it have to do with the country you're playing in(league)?

I always use 2 fitness, 1 youth and 1 attacking. And choose myself to be a motivational coach

[Fortune456]

2 minutes ago, Stythe said:

I always use 2 fitness, 1 youth and 1 attacking. And choose myself to be a motivational coach

I started a save before as a Mexican team manager, I won championships and I'm now  world. Class. But I deleted the save and started a new save with the same manager and rep. I want to start with a club now, I'm a motivational coach yes. The 'motivational' guarantees their personality, buh it doesn't make them better like, CA and PA wise. Any tips?

[leedsunited87]

It's the luck of the draw buddy, depending on your skills as coach etc Could get 1 maybe every few years 

[Stythe]

15 hours ago, Fortune456 said:

I started a save before as a Mexican team manager, I won championships and I'm now  world. Class. But I deleted the save and started a new save with the same manager and rep. I want to start with a club now, I'm a motivational coach yes. The 'motivational' guarantees their personality, buh it doesn't make them better like, CA and PA wise. Any tips?

Make the facilities top. And if you want Better wonderkids, maybe 2 youth coaches will do. And if you get some World class potential ability players, loan them somewhere. I personally loan them to the lower German league, they grow massively there.

[Fortune456]

On 30/09/2024 at 06:59, Stythe said:

Make the facilities top. And if you want Better wonderkids, maybe 2 youth coaches will do. And if you get some World class potential ability players, loan them somewhere. I personally loan them to the lower German league, they grow massively there.

Thanks, you loan them to your affiliate clubs right?

[Stythe]

15 hours ago, Fortune456 said:

Thanks, you loan them to your affiliate clubs right?

Yeah

[Marc Vaughan]

The following affects the quality of the youth coming through your system:

* Youth Facilities
* Coaching staff quality and styles - some will encourage more players (youth coaches), others will encourage particular positions (ie. Attacking coaches) and their badge level will have a small influence on the player quality.
* Squad Dynamics - this affects the mentality and personality of players coming through slightly, ie. if you have a professional hardworking squad then you are more likely to get youth players with mentalities along those lines, simply put your youth team look up to your first team.

Finally there is a large random element in such things and every squad 'could' get a world class player through their youth system ... just as any team could ultimately get a generation who are utter dross.

Finally once a youth player is promoted and lands in your squad I'd recommend being at least somewhat patient with them, sometimes they might not look all that great but have the potential to develop a lot ... most 16 years olds aren't able to play in the Premiership from the get go.

 

[YiddoAsQPR]

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

[Fortune456]

7 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

The following affects the quality of the youth coming through your system:

* Youth Facilities
* Coaching staff quality and styles - some will encourage more players (youth coaches), others will encourage particular positions (ie. Attacking coaches) and their badge level will have a small influence on the player quality.
* Squad Dynamics - this affects the mentality and personality of players coming through slightly, ie. if you have a professional hardworking squad then you are more likely to get youth players with mentalities along those lines, simply put your youth team look up to your first team.

Finally there is a large random element in such things and every squad 'could' get a world class player through their youth system ... just as any team could ultimately get a generation who are utter dross.

Finally once a youth player is promoted and lands in your squad I'd recommend being at least somewhat patient with them, sometimes they might not look all that great but have the potential to develop a lot ... most 16 years olds aren't able to play in the Premiership from the get go.

 

I've got this awesome goalkeeper wonderkid, his name is payet, and he's really good. Buh he's unprofessional. I started with the French national team, before starting with Liverpool(four years after) and some of the French youngsters are wonderkids. This payet guy is good, but unprofessional. I've even got Alison mentoring him but nothing's changed. Is there any other way?

[Fortune456]

6 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

There are a lot of minor things that affect youth development that players don't realize. Let me break it down.

1.You as a manager: it's advisable to start off as a motivational manager, and your nationality should correspond with the country of the club you'll be managing. E.g Spain, of you'll be managing a Spanish club and so on. I'll go into details about the 'motivational' manager soon.

[Fortune456]

2. Youth development: Let's say, you're managing Chelsea. And you buy a 16yr Argentine youth player(I like buying south American wonderkids. They always have the 'mecurial talent'). It's better if you have an Argentine national in your club, or somebody that speaks the same language the youth player is speaking. So that he doesn't feel lonely. This is where the 'correspond nationality to league's country's comes about. 

The steps to youth development:

A. Placement and mentoring:

[Fortune456]

17 minutes ago, Fortune456 said:

2. Youth development: Let's say, you're managing Chelsea. And you buy a 16yr Argentine youth player(I like buying south American wonderkids. They always have the 'mecurial talent'). It's better if you have an Argentine national in your club, or somebody that speaks the same language the youth player is speaking. So that he doesn't feel lonely. This is where the 'correspond nationality to league's country's comes about. 

The steps to youth development:

A. Placement and mentoring:

I usually place my new youth players in my reserve team, or you can keep them in the first team. But, pay attention to the reserve team fixtures, so you can send them regularly for games. To facilitate their development, you can play them in the first team, against weaker oppositions. In matches that, maybe you've scored three goals or more in the first half. You can bring them in the second, just to gain experience.

Mentoring is another key part of youth development. Always check your team dynamics, make sure most of the parameters there are showing full green or an 'A' grade. So as to create a suitable environment for your youth player to develop in. For mentoring, take note

• Mentors should have the same positions or similar as the youth player they are going to mentor, don't ask a CD to mentor a ST, he'll reach him the wrong key attributes like tackling or positioning, whereas he's supposed to be learning movement, shooting or dribbling. 
• Your mentors should be core players in your squad. I'd you open a player's personal page and in his hierarchy and social group you see 'core' 'influential' 'team leader's. Or even in the relationships page, if he has a popular status in the squad, with these other hierarchies, he has a say in the squad. And he'll be a better influence to the youth player. Make sure to check the mentor's dynamics too. The relationship page shows his professionalism, determination, morale, loyalty. Make sure this key points are pointing upward(green) or closer to green👍🏽

[Fortune456]

Just now, Fortune456 said:

I usually place my new youth players in my reserve team, or you can keep them in the first team. But, pay attention to the reserve team fixtures, so you can send them regularly for games. To facilitate their development, you can play them in the first team, against weaker oppositions. In matches that, maybe you've scored three goals or more in the first half. You can bring them in the second, just to gain experience.

Mentoring is another key part of youth development. Always check your team dynamics, make sure most of the parameters there are showing full green or an 'A' grade. So as to create a suitable environment for your youth player to develop in. For mentoring, take note

• Mentors should have the same positions or similar as the youth player they are going to mentor, don't ask a CD to mentor a ST, he'll reach him the wrong key attributes like tackling or positioning, whereas he's supposed to be learning movement, shooting or dribbling. 
• Your mentors should be core players in your squad. I'd you open a player's personal page and in his hierarchy and social group you see 'core' 'influential' 'team leader's. Or even in the relationships page, if he has a popular status in the squad, with these other hierarchies, he has a say in the squad. And he'll be a better influence to the youth player. Make sure to check the mentor's dynamics too. The relationship page shows his professionalism, determination, morale, loyalty. Make sure this key points are pointing upward(green) or closer to green👍🏽

The loaning system you're doing is also very wrong, you're literally sending your 18yo to the middle of nowhere. Though it's a game, it acts a bit realistically too

[Fortune456]

7 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

Let's use the same Argentine youth. I take him to my reserve team after buying him or I can keep him in the first team. Make sure to check the reserve team fixtures, so I can always send him there to play games. Sometimes I give him first team opportunities, against weaker opposition. One time I played west brom, and I was leading 5 to nil by the first half. I subbed him in, the youth plays as a CAM. That way you can bump his after match rating, which affects his consistency. He's capable under pressure too, so I played him in a UCL group stage match, his experience bar peaked after the match. Youth players develop like that

[Fortune456]

7 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

After a season and maybe an half, check to make sure he has at least a (basic) fluency in the language of that country. The Argentine had (basic) fluency in English by the end of the season. So here comes the loaning. This is where affiliate clubs come in. In fmm, there are some major languages, that almost everyone in that particular region speaks, in South America it's Spanish. There's English too(in English speaking parts), French or wolof( in African countries that speak French), Italian, German and Bosnian for the Scandinavians( Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro and  likes 

[Fortune456]

7 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

I loaded the five major leagues, so I make sure I have at least an affiliate club in each country. So, say that Argentine youth, he's 18yo now. I loan him to my affiliate club. To do this, go to actions in the player's page, tap on 'offer in transfer room ' you'll see the page tap on the 'loan' or 'transfer' with an arrow pointing downward, you'll see more options when you open it . Then tap on affiliate loan to XX club. The good thing about affiliate loans is that you can do it anytime, it's not affected by the loan or transfer window

[Fortune456]

12 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

The following affects the quality of the youth coming through your system:

* Youth Facilities
* Coaching staff quality and styles - some will encourage more players (youth coaches), others will encourage particular positions (ie. Attacking coaches) and their badge level will have a small influence on the player quality.
* Squad Dynamics - this affects the mentality and personality of players coming through slightly, ie. if you have a professional hardworking squad then you are more likely to get youth players with mentalities along those lines, simply put your youth team look up to your first team.

Finally there is a large random element in such things and every squad 'could' get a world class player through their youth system ... just as any team could ultimately get a generation who are utter dross.

Finally once a youth player is promoted and lands in your squad I'd recommend being at least somewhat patient with them, sometimes they might not look all that great but have the potential to develop a lot ... most 16 years olds aren't able to play in the Premiership from the get go.

 

 

7 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

I loan him to a Spanish lower league to get first team football, and acclimatize, since he speaks Spanish. Be sure to note that the position he plays is needed in the loaning team tactical system. You can't loan a fullback or winger to a club that plays 3-4-3, he won't get any playing time even thought he's better than everyone in that squad, except the team changes managers. So after a season there in the Spanish club, he's developed to some extent.

• A small tip, if you want a particular ability to develop by a large margin, say you want his dribbling to get better as a winger, in the training page, put dribbling as his core training attribute after the 'role' section and loan him out. When he returns, his dribbling will leap by far.

The next season, you can put him on loan generally, and only accept loan offers from clubs in better leagues(since you want him to play for you-chelsea,only accept English clubs). That way he won't have problems, since he has a basic fluency, and he'll develop in mainstream league. You can keep him in your squad the next season, and give him ample first team opportunities. So far, he has potential, he'll grow massively.

Another thing to note is that, their player traits, evolve the older they are

[Fortune456]

7 hours ago, YiddoAsQPR said:

I know this is more youth development than the youth players produced each season, but is there a big difference in the places you loan a player?  Does the higher quality of the league lead to better development, or the better the team they go on loan to (with better players to train with)? 

For example, would it be better for an 18 year old's development to go and possibly get 8-12 games for a side like Villa in the Prem, or would it be better for them to go to a Czech top tier or Dutch second tier team (that have no real players in my save), play 30 odd games, and (presumably) with the lesser level of competition, get consistently better ratings for the games?

TIA

For example, at 16yo, his only traits as a winger could be 'cuts inside', 'gets forward whenever possible'. But as he reaches, or even gets past his 20s, he'd be getting traits like 'plays one-twos' 'shoots from distance' 'moves into channels' 'tries to beat offside trap' ' arrives late in opponents area's and the likes.

• An indicator for very talented youngsters or players in general is that in their scout report(from your scout) they are mercurial talents.

[Marc Vaughan]

20 hours ago, Fortune456 said:

An indicator for very talented youngsters or players in general is that in their scout report(from your scout) they are mercurial talents.

So you're aware Mercurial talent indicates a player with high flair and creativity .. these are often players who have bright futures, but not always ...

[Fortune456]

2 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

So you're aware Mercurial talent indicates a player with high flair and creativity .. these are often players who have bright futures, but not always ...

And i figured something. Most of the wonder kids with 'mecurial talent ' reports are almost never from your loaded countries. And they are mostly South American, Brazil being very common or Colombians. But, the annoying thing is that, they are always injury prone.

I found a super youth talent 'Nicholas Messi's, I posted about it before. He's left footed, world class potential, set piece and penalties are 4 stars, he's like a pasted version of Messi😂. But he's injury prone, 'high' Injury proness. Even another Brazilian wonderkid goalkeeper I have on my team, his is worse 'very high', I'd say about 18-20 injury proness. To this point it scares me to find wonderkids in South America

[Fortune456]

2 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

So you're aware Mercurial talent indicates a player with high flair and creativity .. these are often players who have bright futures, but not always ...

This is the Messi guy. Why is the injury proness rarely in the report, but, I'll have to check my prevention physio to find out about it after I've bought the player.

Or is there a trigger for it, like overplaying a player or something?

[Marc Vaughan]

12 hours ago, Fortune456 said:

This is the Messi guy. Why is the injury proness rarely in the report, but, I'll have to check my prevention physio to find out about it after I've bought the player.

Or is there a trigger for it, like overplaying a player or something?

With regards to the report, rhe physio reports indicating the chance of an injury are a combo of factors, not just their natural injury-proneness, it'll take into account if they're presently being over-played and whether their condition is presently poor etc. ... the scout report probably only takes into account their overall injury-proneness (as the other factors are largely down to the club itself).
I will however check and make sure that is working correctly.

As an aside a very few players 'start' their careers as highly injury prone - however when they're young if they're continually over-played then there is a chance that their injury proneness will increase, especially if they pick up repetitive injuries .. so bear that in mind when you have youngsters coming through.

Edited Sunday at 13:44 by Marc Vaughan

[Fortune456]

2 hours ago, Marc Vaughan said:

With regards to the report, rhe physio reports indicating the chance of an injury are a combo of factors, not just their natural injury-proneness, it'll take into account if they're presently being over-played and whether their condition is presently poor etc. ... the scout report probably only takes into account their overall injury-proneness (as the other factors are largely down to the club itself).
I will however check and make sure that is working correctly.

As an aside a very few players 'start' their careers as highly injury prone - however when they're young if they're continually over-played then there is a chance that their injury proneness will increase, especially if they pick up repetitive injuries .. so bear that in mind when you have youngsters coming through.

Thanks, true though, young players are prone to injuries. I think it's more of south American youth players. Because I have a mixed youth player(dutch and Uruguayan ), but he spent his time playing in the eredivise (vlodeim something).he's twenty y/o, my scout found him. He has solid set piece and penalty kicks ability 4 star, he even hits free kicks with power. Fortunately, he's not injury prone and he has very good potential, about 4.5 stars. 

 

[Rezz7399]

On 10/6/2024 at 4:17 AM, Fortune456 said:

And i figured something. Most of the wonder kids with 'mecurial talent ' reports are almost never from your loaded countries. And they are mostly South American, Brazil being very common or Colombians. But, the annoying thing is that, they are always injury prone.

I found a super youth talent 'Nicholas Messi's, I posted about it before. He's left footed, world class potential, set piece and penalties are 4 stars, he's like a pasted version of Messi😂. But he's injury prone, 'high' Injury proness. Even another Brazilian wonderkid goalkeeper I have on my team, his is worse 'very high', I'd say about 18-20 injury proness. To this point it scares me to find wonderkids in South America

How do you determine the degree of injury prone?

[Fortune456]

14 hours ago, Rezz7399 said:

How do you determine the degree of injury prone?

First of all, your staffs. I always have one prevention physio and two rehabilitation physio. The prevention physio works with players with injury proness, so when you open their page, you'll see injury proness there. 

The levels of injury proness should be : Low( in the scout report you'll see 'very rarely injured' something like that), it's depicted by a small green box in the medical center. 

Then there's normal, two small yellow boxes, normal is also the same as low, but you shouldn't overplay them. Injury proness affects their recovery time and how easily they can get injured. 

The third should be high, this kind of players need effective focus, if a player like this with high ' injury proness' is in your team, it's advisable to have 2 strong substitutes.

The most dangerous is 'very high'. It doesn't mean that they get injured anyhow, but I'd advise that, don't buy a youth player with very high injury proness. Buy an established player, so you can set him training difficulty to 'normal' instead of intensive.

If your player has injury proness issues, in their scout report( or if you buy them and they are now in your team). You'll see something like this in the negatives 'may have concern over injuries'. Thats why always check your medical center after each month, to know if you're overplaying players, and ensure good rotation. In my team only five players play up to 40+ plus games, my two wingers, my goal keeper and one of my star defenders(Leny yoro

[Fortune456]

1 minute ago, Fortune456 said:

First of all, your staffs. I always have one prevention physio and two rehabilitation physio. The prevention physio works with players with injury proness, so when you open their page, you'll see injury proness there. 

The levels of injury proness should be : Low( in the scout report you'll see 'very rarely injured' something like that), it's depicted by a small green box in the medical center. 

Then there's normal, two small yellow boxes, normal is also the same as low, but you shouldn't overplay them. Injury proness affects their recovery time and how easily they can get injured. 

The third should be high, this kind of players need effective focus, if a player like this with high ' injury proness' is in your team, it's advisable to have 2 strong substitutes.

The most dangerous is 'very high'. It doesn't mean that they get injured anyhow, but I'd advise that, don't buy a youth player with very high injury proness. Buy an established player, so you can set him training difficulty to 'normal' instead of intensive.

If your player has injury proness issues, in their scout report( or if you buy them and they are now in your team). You'll see something like this in the negatives 'may have concern over injuries'. Thats why always check your medical center after each month, to know if you're overplaying players, and ensure good rotation. In my team only five players play up to 40+ plus games, my two wingers, my goal keeper and one of my star defenders(Leny yoro

Four*, the rest are rotated. It's better to not send injury prone players on loan. Cos, they'll get overplayed, especially if they're very good. When you see that the player is 'in need of rest', just pull them out of your starting eleven. 

[Fortune456]

14 hours ago, Rezz7399 said:

How do you determine the degree of injury prone?

Just another quick note of something, south American youth players have a 50% chance of being injury prone, so be careful. If it's an established player, I usually check their history, number of games played and rating.  This applies especially to midfielders. To know good ones, check the consistency of their rating in each season, and role traits.

[Rezz7399]

7 hours ago, Fortune456 said:

Just another quick note of something, south American youth players have a 50% chance of being injury prone, so be careful. If it's an established player, I usually check their history, number of games played and rating.  This applies especially to midfielders. To know good ones, check the consistency of their rating in each season, and role traits.

Wow, I really appreciate your insight