Chat Quick Mentoring Question

[Petertr]

Scrolled through 5 pages of searches and couldn't find the answer - so hopefully someone can help.

I'd like to do a lot more mentoring than I do, but the coaches tell me its a bad option 75% of the time.  Even when the attribute effect is all positive. 

Should I listen to the coaches, or go ahead anyway?

[MegaBoi]

2 hours ago, Petertr said:

Scrolled through 5 pages of searches and couldn't find the answer - so hopefully someone can help.

I'd like to do a lot more mentoring than I do, but the coaches tell me its a bad option 75% of the time.  Even when the attribute effect is all positive. 

Should I listen to the coaches, or go ahead anyway?

As long as I know, Position familiarity is the key In mentoring,

Both the Mentor and Player should be familiar with same position, like Striker to Striker, Winger to Winger, Midfielder to midfielder etc.

[leedsunited87]

1 hour ago, MegaBoi said:

As long as I know, Position familiarity is the key In mentoring,

Both the Mentor and Player should be familiar with same position, like Striker to Striker, Winger to Winger, Midfielder to midfielder etc.

Disagree there, I've had CBs with great personality mentor a young ST, WBs that mentor Wingers, long as there professional enough, there personalities should be passed on 

[MegaBoi]

39 minutes ago, leedsunited87 said:

Disagree there, I've had CBs with great personality mentor a young ST, WBs that mentor Wingers, long as there professional enough, there personalities should be passed on 

That's a whole different thing, There Personallity can be passed but a CB can't mentor Striker's key attributes such as Pace, Movement,shooting.

Yes a player With good personality can pass his Personality traits to different player through mentoring without Position familiarity, I agree on this.

[leedsunited87]

55 minutes ago, MegaBoi said:

That's a whole different thing, There Personallity can be passed but a CB can't mentor Striker's key attributes such as Pace, Movement,shooting.

Yes a player With good personality can pass his Personality traits to different player through mentoring without Position familiarity, I agree on this.

Again if CD has good ariel and strength, this would be passed on to a young TM 

[Petertr]

18 hours ago, leedsunited87 said:

Disagree there, I've had CBs with great personality mentor a young ST, WBs that mentor Wingers, long as there professional enough, there personalities should be passed on 

What I'm asking though, is whether the coaches recommendations are to be followed or not?  Will mentoring likely fail if coaches say its not a good idea?

Or are they more concerned about attributes etc

As you say,  I'm looking for personality mentoring mostly.

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17 hours ago, MegaBoi said:

That's a whole different thing, There Personallity can be passed but a CB can't mentor Striker's key attributes such as Pace, Movement,shooting.

Yes a player With good personality can pass his Personality traits to different player through mentoring without Position familiarity, I agree on this.

Same question to you please ^^

[MegaBoi]

34 minutes ago, Petertr said:

What I'm asking though, is whether the coaches recommendations are to be followed or not?  Will mentoring likely fail if coaches say its not a good idea?

Or are they more concerned about attributes etc

As you say,  I'm looking for personality mentoring mostly.

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Same question to you please ^^

Imo and experience, Yes coaches recommendation are mostly true.

If Coach says that it's a bad option than that Depends on Their Position familiarity, And key attributes(I think so) if a Coach says it's bad option for Partnership and despite that you sets it up, than in most cases that Mentoring session will go very bad and Mentor and Player can build a Negative relation or can dislike each other. Again it's purely my Opinion and the thing I have experienced in past 2 years.

[Petertr]

9 minutes ago, MegaBoi said:

Imo and experience, Yes coaches recommendation are mostly true.

If Coach says that it's a bad option than that Depends on Their Position familiarity, And key attributes(I think so) if a Coach says it's bad option for Partnership and despite that you sets it up, than in most cases that Mentoring session will go very bad and Mentor and Player can build a Negative relation or can dislike each other. Again it's purely my Opinion and the thing I have experienced in past 2 years.

The messages is always:  "Coach believes .... would not be a suitable mentor"

There doesn't seem to be a differing message depending on whether its a personality issue or a positional mis-match though?

I'm really struggling year on year to mentor any of my young players as 3/4 of the time there isn't an option that the coaches don't tell me is a bad one.

 

[MegaBoi]

47 minutes ago, Petertr said:

The messages is always:  "Coach believes .... would not be a suitable mentor"

There doesn't seem to be a differing message depending on whether its a personality issue or a positional mis-match though?

I'm really struggling year on year to mentor any of my young players as 3/4 of the time there isn't an option that the coaches don't tell me is a bad one.

 

There must be 1 or 2 players for Coaches says that Can flourish if given Adequate Time, try them they can be good mentors as well.

[Petertr]

1 hour ago, MegaBoi said:

There must be 1 or 2 players for Coaches says that Can flourish if given Adequate Time, try them they can be good mentors as well.

Oh yes, there are some.   But very very few.  I've never managed to find more than 3 at a time at best in a squad of 30 ish.

But that's the entire point of this thread: Is the coaches message based on the potential for attribute increases, or on whether the mentorship will simply fail?

So should I just try if my goal is to increase mental skills rather than attributes, or am I wasting my time if "coach say no" ?

[Petertr]

.

Oh

I asked this ages ago on SI's boards, and Marc replied!"

 

While we're talking mentoring, should I listen to my assistant who seems to frequently tell me a certain pairing isn't a good idea?

They're fairly decent at judging such things - but not perfect, they'll tend towards recommending pairs which will work out ... whereas you might prefer a riskier pairing which might 'grate' on the youngster but also potentially give him a much better improvement, this often happens with youngsters who are troublesome ... there's a risk involved in trying to get them back in line ... if it works out great, if not ... well that's up to you.

 

Time to take some risks!

[MegaBoi]

2 hours ago, Petertr said:

Oh yes, there are some.   But very very few.  I've never managed to find more than 3 at a time at best in a squad of 30 ish.

But that's the entire point of this thread: Is the coaches message based on the potential for attribute increases, or on whether the mentorship will simply fail?

So should I just try if my goal is to increase mental skills rather than attributes, or am I wasting my time if "coach say no" ?

For me, Mentoring is all mentals, Sometimes it's for a certain Attribute like Aerial or Teamwork.

A midfielder with good mentals and good attributes can Mentor any Midfielder despite rated Will be bad by the Coaches.

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1 hour ago, Petertr said:

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Oh

I asked this ages ago on SI's boards, and Marc replied!"

 

While we're talking mentoring, should I listen to my assistant who seems to frequently tell me a certain pairing isn't a good idea?

They're fairly decent at judging such things - but not perfect, they'll tend towards recommending pairs which will work out ... whereas you might prefer a riskier pairing which might 'grate' on the youngster but also potentially give him a much better improvement, this often happens with youngsters who are troublesome ... there's a risk involved in trying to get them back in line ... if it works out great, if not ... well that's up to you.

 

Time to take some risks!

Ohh didn't saw that, So Marc replied.

Than you have your answer.