Tactics Adaptable 4231

[ajil]

So Ive been trying to make some 4231 tactics and discussing it with @Bolajoko after much try and error i find this one 

Why is it adaptable? Because the key of this tactics is monitoring the opponent mentality 

I’m already picturing that we’ll mostly use Control and switch to Balance if the opponent’s pressure is too much (for example, if they’re getting too many chances). If the opponent goes full defensive and tries to contain, just keep the Control mentality — I’ve experienced this many times!

If we use Attacking, sometimes we make mistakes and vunerable to counter attack 🤐 which can lead to goals. That’s why we should focus on controlling the ball and the game. However, it’s often hard to break their defense, so Attacking can be an option. 

But I recommend keeping the Control mentality, because they will try anything to score. Just wait patiently for chances — I’d rather have a 0–0 draw than a narrow 1–0 loss.

 

What about big teams? When you’re leading 2–1, 3–1, or 3–2, they’ll usually attack you with Attacking or even Overload mentality. I think switching to Balance is the safer choice because they’ll pressure you more.

 

Careful — if you use Attacking mentality, our defense might crumble if the opponent switches to Counter or Balance, especially in away games with 3 or 4 Difficulty as you can see when i play away games with Fulham 

 

Our reserve team uses the same tactics and wins matches with 3–4 difficulty.

 

Im sorry if you confuse English is my second language.

 

 

[gorp]

How did you change the tactic of the reserve team? Did you just change the reserve coach?

[ajil]

4 minutes ago, gorp said:

How did you change the tactic of the reserve team? Did you just change the reserve coach?

I was shocked too, i don't change my assistant manager he 433 guy but he use my tactics and i can see the result is good

[ajil]

4 minutes ago, ajil said:

I was shocked too, i don't change my assistant manager he 433 guy but he use my tactics and i can see the result is good

Some matches statistic, with small team and big team like City and Arsenal

[ajil]

Just now, ajil said:

Some matches statistic, with small team and big team like City and Arsenal

This is my first year with Liverpool after managing Borussia Dortmund 

My CB is mid just have 108 million pound to spend

[gorp]

48 minutes ago, ajil said:

I was shocked too, i don't change my assistant manager he 433 guy but he use my tactics and i can see the result is good

ah i see, by the way can you change anything in the middle of the match besides the mentality?

[ajil]

7 minutes ago, gorp said:

ah i see, by the way can you change anything in the middle of the match besides the mentality?

I already tried everything change the defensive line and all but its not consistent enough because we control the midfield change it to balance defensive line and with all over closing down might not work(someone explain that in this forum using balance defensive line and all over pressing is useless but i forget which post) and change it to own half Will not work either because i always have some after match negative reason like "midfield too open without the ball" because of that all over pressing is needed because we chase the ball and pressing the opponent to get it back fast

[ajil]

Just now, ajil said:

I already tried everything change the defensive line and all but its not consistent enough because we control the midfield change it to balance defensive line and with all over closing down might not work(someone explain that in this forum using balance defensive line and all over pressing is useless but i forget which post) and change it to own half Will not work either because i always have some after match negative reason like "midfield too open without the ball" because of that all over pressing is needed because we chase the ball and pressing the opponent to get it back fast

So i think we don't need to change anything beside the mentality 

[ajil]

11 minutes ago, ajil said:

So i think we don't need to change anything beside the mentality 

But i always open for some change tweaking it because i always discussing and changing things with bolajoko until i Made this one who are adaptable 

Actually i have an idea about the midfield trio but i still not trying it 

Like changing the Am into Ap and changing the dlp into bwm or anchor? 

Or we can change the Am to ss(i don't know about that Will second striker helping the midfield or not and the different is he's more offensive than Am?) and keep the dlp this one for more attacking option 

The BBM is key part of this team because he Will help attacking and defending so we cant change that 

So if you have any opinion and know about this let me know 

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[ajil]

6 minutes ago, ajil said:

But i always open for some change tweaking it because i always discussing and changing things with bolajoko until i Made this one who are adaptable 

Actually i have an idea about the midfield trio but i still not trying it 

Like changing the Am into Ap and changing the dlp into bwm or anchor? 

Or we can change the Am to ss(i don't know about that Will second striker helping the midfield or not and the different is he's more offensive than Am?) and keep the dlp this one for more attacking option 

The BBM is key part of this team because he Will help attacking and defending so we cant change that 

So if you have any opinion and know about this let me know 

We turn the AP into the playmaker instead of dlp who setting up some chances in the midfield change him into bwm making him focus just to defense the midfield get the ball and give it to more creative player and BBM helping bwm and ap Between attacking and defending thats my idea for the first option change

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[ajil]

3 minutes ago, ajil said:

We turn the AP into the playmaker instead of dlp who setting up some chances in the midfield change him into bwm making him focus just to defense the midfield get the ball and give it to more creative player and BBM helping bwm and ap Between attacking and defending thats my idea for the first option change

Iwb covering the BBM space if the BBM go upfront and Winger cover up the flanks staying wide and if he have a chance he can score too because i Made the width narrow so in defending phase the iwb Will back to his original place on the flanks and covering it up so making it 2-2-6 in attacking phase 

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[ajil]

1 minute ago, ajil said:

Iwb covering the BBM space if the BBM go upfront and Winger cover up the flanks staying wide and if he have a chance he can score too because i Made the width narrow so in defending phase the iwb Will back to his original place on the flanks and covering it up so making it 2-2-6 in attacking phase 

A good BPD its like a dessert after the main course, he can pass the ball to the front quick and Made the striker score

[ajil]

3 minutes ago, ajil said:

A good BPD its like a dessert after the main course, he can pass the ball to the front quick and Made the striker score

You can change the DLF to CF if you want or poacher focusing him to score but for me stable is everything so i choose DLF because he Will helping linking up and draw cb to him so IF can cut inside 

[gorp]

34 minutes ago, ajil said:

We turn the AP into the playmaker instead of dlp who setting up some chances in the midfield change him into bwm making him focus just to defense the midfield get the ball and give it to more creative player and BBM helping bwm and ap Between attacking and defending thats my idea for the first option change

 

31 minutes ago, ajil said:

Iwb covering the BBM space if the BBM go upfront and Winger cover up the flanks staying wide and if he have a chance he can score too because i Made the width narrow so in defending phase the iwb Will back to his original place on the flanks and covering it up so making it 2-2-6 in attacking phase 

have you tried it with the BWM and AP midfield? if so, how's the results?

[ajil]

12 minutes ago, gorp said:

 

have you tried it with the BWM and AP midfield? if so, how's the results?

I Will try it soon, but i don't know why but bwm always have mid ratings or low ratings maybe because they just focus on defending and intercepting the ball

[ajil]

13 minutes ago, ajil said:

I Will try it soon, but i don't know why but bwm always have mid ratings or low ratings maybe because they just focus on defending and intercepting the ball

Pretty good but i think maclister its not a type of player who can be a bwm he don't chase the ball and press the opponent and get the ball back, what bwm is that 😅 i Will try bwm with different player but before that i Will try him as a anchor and see how it goes

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[ajil]

16 minutes ago, ajil said:

Pretty good but i think maclister its not a type of player who can be a bwm he don't chase the ball and press the opponent and get the ball back, what bwm is that 😅 i Will try bwm with different player but before that i Will try him as a anchor and see how it goes

Work great as a anchor, as a anchor he Will try linking simple passes giving it to a playmaker and intercepting the ball that his duty i think anchor is more suitable for this as you can see with a good AP you can dominate the match and he's on the left (no one Will Mark him like traditional 4231 who he's in the center DLF Will go down in his position on the center) give it a try and let me know what suit you well 

AM + DLP + BBM (Balance) 

Or 

AP + Anchor + BBM (more defensive covering)

The difference between am and ap is am Will go creative in the final third but ap he Will get creative if he get the ball turn defensive state into attacking state in instant that what i read in the description role

I think with AP is more solid Will try it more 

Because AM before we reach the final third he Will helping the midfield more than AP do, AP Made him focusing more to make/creating chances rather than helping but its enough with BBM and anchor in the center and iwb Will help too i never thought this

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[gorp]

2 minutes ago, ajil said:

Work great as a anchor, as a anchor he Will try linking simple passes giving it to a playmaker and intercepting the ball that his duty i think anchor is more suitable for this as you can see with a good AP you can dominate the match and he's on the left (no one Will Mark him like traditional 4231 who he's in the center DLF Will go down in his position on the center) give it a try and let me know what suit you well 

AM + DLP + BBM (Balance) 

Or 

AP + Anchor + BBM (more defensive covering)

The difference between am and ap is am Will go creative in the final third but ap he Will get creative if he get the ball turn defensive state into attacking state in instant that what i read in the description role

I think with AP is more solid Will try it more 

good stuff man, can't wait to see more 

[ajil]

3 minutes ago, ajil said:

Work great as a anchor, as a anchor he Will try linking simple passes giving it to a playmaker and intercepting the ball that his duty i think anchor is more suitable for this as you can see with a good AP you can dominate the match and he's on the left (no one Will Mark him like traditional 4231 who he's in the center DLF Will go down in his position on the center) give it a try and let me know what suit you well 

AM + DLP + BBM (Balance) 

Or 

AP + Anchor + BBM (more defensive covering)

The difference between am and ap is am Will go creative in the final third but ap he Will get creative if he get the ball turn defensive state into attacking state in instant that what i read in the description role

I think with AP is more solid Will try it more 

Because AM before we reach the final third he Will helping the midfield more than AP do, AP Made him focusing more to make/creating chances rather than helping but its enough with BBM and anchor in the center and iwb Will help too i never thought this

But what if we face a big team? Thats what i want to know and trying it more 

[ajil]

26 minutes ago, ajil said:

But what if we face a big team? Thats what i want to know and trying it more 

Hmmm i think everyoone have to be active without AP helping actively in the midfield we lacking to control the ball and thats against our philosophy on this tactics i think we just stick with DLP i lost 3-0 with AP- Anchor - BBM tactics and win 4-1 in AM - DLP - BBM tactics

I think its already answering me about my theory before maybe i can input my idea in FM24(PC) because In mobile everything is simple 

Give it a try for whole season and see how its goes just monitoring the opponent mentality for the tweak for now no need to change anything beside mentality until i have better idea tweaking our structure @gorp

Edited August 9, 2025 by ajil

[gorp]

1 hour ago, ajil said:

Hmmm i think everyoone have to be active without AP helping actively in the midfield we lacking to control the ball and thats against our philosophy on this tactics i think we just stick with DLP i lost 3-0 with AP- Anchor - BBM tactics and win 4-1 in AM - DLP - BBM tactics

I think its already answering me about my theory before maybe i can input my idea in FM24(PC) because In mobile everything is simple 

Give it a try for whole season and see how its goes just monitoring the opponent mentality for the tweak for now no need to change anything beside mentality until i have better idea tweaking our structure @gorp

alright then cheers, do you think this tactic only works on mid table to top team? 

Edited August 9, 2025 by gorp

[ajil]

2 hours ago, gorp said:

alright then cheers, do you think this tactic only works on mid table to top team? 

I think yes because we play positively team like Dortmund, Milan, Napoli, Chelsea, Tottenham etc

[ajil]

1 minute ago, ajil said:

I think yes because we play positively team like Dortmund, Milan, Napoli, Chelsea, Tottenham etc

Feyenoord, Ajax Will be great for this tactics 

[bsg1946]

Is it realy important to use man marking on one BPD? I don't think this makes a big Impact 

For me the hybrid hammer Tactics from Miki still the best working Tactics i ever tryed and in Game its also like a 4231

Edited August 9, 2025 by bsg1946

[ajil]

9 hours ago, bsg1946 said:

Is it realy important to use man marking on one BPD? I don't think this makes a big Impact 

For me the hybrid hammer Tactics from Miki still the best working Tactics i ever tryed and in Game its also like a 4231

Its not a big impact but we are vunerable in counter attack the idea is the cb can man Mark the striker keep looking for him

Give it a try

[Bolajoko]

The high scoring results are amazing 

I always thought 4231 tactics have been totally explored but this is a new tactic because it is extremely adaptable and I has a very unique shape and the results are really encouraging 👍

[tummidge22]

Really enjoying this one. I've played around with Counter and Overload shapes too. If the opponent is weak enough you can retain possession with the Overload and it can act as a way to get a couple of quick goals before reverting to Control.

Counter I have used against really big sides and I came from 2-0 against England to win 3-2 with Wales.

[ajil]

1 hour ago, tummidge22 said:

Really enjoying this one. I've played around with Counter and Overload shapes too. If the opponent is weak enough you can retain possession with the Overload and it can act as a way to get a couple of quick goals before reverting to Control.

Counter I have used against really big sides and I came from 2-0 against England to win 3-2 with Wales.

Its adaptable we just have to read the game thats the hard thing to do sometimes 

[ajil]

21 hours ago, tummidge22 said:

Really enjoying this one. I've played around with Counter and Overload shapes too. If the opponent is weak enough you can retain possession with the Overload and it can act as a way to get a couple of quick goals before reverting to Control.

Counter I have used against really big sides and I came from 2-0 against England to win 3-2 with Wales.

I think this is more consistent, Made this 4231 after lot of research and try out this is more stable in attacking and defending please try it 

Sometimes iwb Will be the 3rd cb and going inside the midfield helping, Winger job is to hug the touchline giving some crossing same with wing back

Edited August 16, 2025 by ajil

[ajil]

Just now, ajil said:

I think this is more consistent, Made this 4231 after lot of research and try out this is more stable in attacking and defending please try it 

Sometimes iwb Will be the 3rd cb and going inside the midfield helping, Winger job is to hug the touchline giving some crossing same with wing back

Something you can change maybe just the mentality into balance, but i rarely changing anything because i don't feel we lack on anything i can say this is pretty much plug and play