Tactics R7's DuaL-5122-A/D

[rseven]

Hi mates,

In FMM26, L (Libero) role of defenders has been improved a lot, L will move forward to join team play more when team is in possession. 

I designed two version of 5122 formation with Double L in my Liverpool save and Wolves save.

DuaL-5122-A（with Attacking Mentality for Top Teams）

Formation and Tactics Setup

Team Stats 

Shape in game

 

DuaL-5122-D （with Defensive Mentality for Middle Table Teams)

Formation and Tactics Setup

Team Stats 

Shape in game

Edited December 1 by rseven

[rseven]

Design Note:

1. The movement of L is impacted with team mentality. It is important to keep team mentality for these two tactics. 
In counter and higher team mentality, L will go for MC line. So, L will be conflicted with MC position in front of him. This is why I use two AMC in DuaL-5122-A.
In Defensive and Contain team mentality, L will go for DMC line. So,  L will be conflicted with DMC position in front of him. This is why I use two MC in DuaL-5122-D.

2. With the shape of 5122, the tactics (A&D) are both in good of defense shape. No mater what formation used by opponent.

The wide two advanced IFs need run more to press opponent back 4 or 3. 

3. Why two advanced IFs? I found in FMM26, forwards especially singe forward will be easily close-marked by opponent. Forward less formation works better. To leave space there is better to occupied all times. Without forward in front, Advanced IFs will move to center more frequently. 

4. Two L will move to midfield to support build up. From the shape of formation, we will have 5 in the midfield which forms overload there. Especially the DuaL-5122-D, with the lower team mentality, the players will try to pass more and play patiently.

5. The difference for A & D for FB rolse. In D, I chose two WB instead of two IWB. I need these two WB to building up from flank when my team met high press by opponent. And of course, we have more cross. 

6. Below is a short video to show how the tactics to work. It is based on DuaL-5122-D. 

 

 

Edited December 1 by rseven

[Pinuccio]

3 minutes ago, rseven said:

Nota di progettazione:

1. Il movimento di L è influenzato dalla mentalità di squadra. È importante mantenere la mentalità di squadra per queste due tattiche. 
Nella mentalità del contro e della squadra più alta, L sceglierà la linea MC. Quindi, L sarà in conflitto con la posizione di MC di fronte a lui. Questo è il motivo per cui utilizzo due AMC in DuaL-5122-A.
Nella mentalità della squadra difensiva e di contenimento, L sceglierà la linea DMC. Quindi, L sarà in conflitto con la posizione DMC di fronte a lui. Questo è il motivo per cui utilizzo due MC in DuaL-5122-D.

2. Con la forma di 5122, le tattiche (A & D) sono entrambe in buona forma di difesa. Non importa quale formazione utilizzata dall'avversario.

I due larghi IF avanzati devono correre di più per respingere l'avversario 4 o 3. 

3. fammi pensare....

Exactly, mentality influences roles. For fun, I've found a balance to the overload mentality. Put all the defensive roles in a hypothetical formation and it becomes extremely balanced. The mentality will influence the attacking defensive role, but it will immediately return to the turnover, as is its nature. It was just an experiment to test the OVERLOAD mentality, but I don't like seeing balls running around the pitch like crazy for 90 minutes; it will become unreal.

[rseven]

2 minutes ago, Pinuccio said:

Put all the defensive roles in a hypothetical formation and it becomes extremely balanced

Yes. Overload team mentality with low position sharp and roles / Defensive team mentality with high position shape and roles. I did some test in FMM24, too. 

[degreat]

I use another tactic 4-3-3 and won league first season with Crystal Palace, zero transfers only the starting squad and second season I came second because I got careless towards the end but won champions league should I share tactic? I tried with Arsenal first but way too easy got bored 😑 

[Schwantz34]

This looks absolutely crazy!

Love unusual out of the box setups.

[rseven]

12 hours ago, degreat said:

I use another tactic 4-3-3 and won league first season with Crystal Palace, zero transfers only the starting squad and second season I came second because I got careless towards the end but won champions league should I share tactic? I tried with Arsenal first but way too easy got bored 😑 

Please share your amazing tactics.

[rseven]

4 hours ago, Schwantz34 said:

This looks absolutely crazy!

Love unusual out of the box setups.

Yes. As I explain in the Design Note: To leave space there is better to occupied all times.

[degreat]

Ok here

this is even on a new save, my third team with this tactic with Atalanta so far very good results. 
 

let me know and I can make separate thread more detailed. match prep leave to assistant 

even the set pieces get good amount of goals! 

[laykay]

Been using this tactics recently with my derby team. It’s been amazing managed to finish 2n first time making it to CL. If I started with the tactic at the start of the season would likey had won the league. Had a few games where I got battered mostly by Man city and Haaland. On the 2030/31 season, also got the England job and beat France in the national league final 

[laykay]

Also had one of the craziest game with this tactic got FM hard !!!!! 7 clear cut chances couldn’t win 

[SOLOTÜRK]

7 hours ago, degreat said:

Tamam burada

Bu, yeni bir kurtarışta bile, Atalanta ile bu taktiği uygulayan üçüncü takımım, şu ana kadar çok iyi sonuçlar aldım. 
 

bana bildirin, daha detaylı ayrı bir konu açabilirim. Maç hazırlığı için asistana izin verin. 

duran toplarda bile iyi goller geliyor! 

Atalanta's squad is better than most teams, so I'm going to try this tactic in the lower leagues just out of curiosity. What's your assistant coach's full name?

[degreat]

6 minutes ago, SOLOTÜRK said:

Atalanta's squad is better than most teams, so I'm going to try this tactic in the lower leagues just out of curiosity. What's your assistant coach's full name?

sure let me know how it goes. Assistant manager I just pick staff with highest rep. Also I always fire staff at the beggining of a save to bring in fitness coaches and 1 youth, all gold preferably. Sure Atalanta is good that’s why I tested with Crystal Palace and won the league first season then champions league second season 

[SOLOTÜRK]

1 minute ago, degreat said:

Elbette, nasıl gittiğini bana bildir. Yardımcı menajer olarak en yüksek itibara sahip personeli seçerim. Ayrıca, her zaman bir kurtarmanın başlangıcında personeli kovup fitness koçları ve tercihen hepsi altın olmak üzere 1 genç oyuncu getiririm. Atalanta iyi, bu yüzden Crystal Palace ile test yaptım ve ilk sezonda lig şampiyonluğunu, ikinci sezonda ise Şampiyonlar Ligi şampiyonluğunu kazandım. 

I'll try it at Fenerbahçe and let you know. I'm like you; I'm hiring three fitness trainers and one youth coach. I'm starting as a motivator, too.

[SOLOTÜRK]

5 minutes ago, degreat said:

Elbette, nasıl gittiğini bana bildir. Yardımcı menajer olarak en yüksek itibara sahip personeli seçerim. Ayrıca, her zaman bir kurtarmanın başlangıcında personeli kovup fitness koçları ve tercihen hepsi altın olmak üzere 1 genç oyuncu getiririm. Atalanta iyi, bu yüzden Crystal Palace ile test yaptım ve ilk sezonda lig şampiyonluğunu, ikinci sezonda ise Şampiyonlar Ligi şampiyonluğunu kazandım. 

Could you please add the full set pieces? A few are not clear.

[degreat]

11 minutes ago, SOLOTÜRK said:

I'll try it at Fenerbahçe and let you know. I'm like you; I'm hiring three fitness trainers and one youth coach. I'm starting as a motivator, too.

Great

10 minutes ago, SOLOTÜRK said:

Could you please add the full set pieces? A few are not clear.

Sorry, the three forwards are the same - attack far post.

[Simbo11]

1 hour ago, laykay said:

Been using this tactics recently with my derby team. It’s been amazing managed to finish 2n first time making it to CL. If I started with the tactic at the start of the season would likey had won the league. Had a few games where I got battered mostly by Man city and Haaland. On the 2030/31 season, also got the England job and beat France in the national league final 

Which tactic

[laykay]

35 minutes ago, Simbo11 said:

Which tactic

DuaL-5122-A（with Attacking Mentality for Top Teams)

haven’t tried the defensive one yet 

[MARm]

On 01/12/2025 at 02:58, degreat said:

I use another tactic 4-3-3 and won league first season with Crystal Palace, zero transfers only the starting squad and second season I came second because I got careless towards the end but won champions league should I share tactic? I tried with Arsenal first but way too easy got bored 😑 

is your vision of fm is 26.0.3

[rseven]

21 hours ago, laykay said:

DuaL-5122-A（with Attacking Mentality for Top Teams)

haven’t tried the defensive one yet 

Please let me know more about your progress.

[Joel Lindskog]

On 02/12/2025 at 08:41, degreat said:

Ok here

this is even on a new save, my third team with this tactic with Atalanta so far very good results. 
 

let me know and I can make separate thread more detailed. match prep leave to assistant 

even the set pieces get good amount of goals! 

This tactic is crazy good. You should create your own thread about it.

Tried several tactics, which can be good initially but are quickly read by the opponents after 15-20 games. This is the closest plug-and play I've used on FMM26. Good job!

[rseven]

1 hour ago, Joel Lindskog said:

This tactic is crazy good. You should create your own thread about it.

Tried several tactics, which can be good initially but are quickly read by the opponents after 15-20 games. This is the closest plug-and play I've used on FMM26. Good job!

Total agree. 

@degreat,mate, you should create your own thread to share your fantastic tactics.

[Black Hawk]

On 02/12/2025 at 07:41, degreat said:

Ok here

this is even on a new save, my third team with this tactic with Atalanta so far very good results. 
 

let me know and I can make separate thread more detailed. match prep leave to assistant 

even the set pieces get good amount of goals! 

As someone who is trying to find a way for Control tactics to work, it's terrible how every good tactic we came across only works on attacking/overload (specialy overload) or really defensive ones. Even for small clubs, overload works better than Control, it's how unrealistic this match engine is.

Not trying to undermine the work and the finds of who develops them, we are all trying the same 😃

[rseven]

4 minutes ago, Black Hawk said:

As someone who is trying to find a way for Control tactics to work, it's terrible how every good tactic we came across only works on attacking/overload (specialy overload) or really defensive ones. Even for small clubs, overload works better than Control, it's how unrealistic this match engine is.

Not trying to undermine the work and the finds of who develops them, we are all trying the same 😃

This tactics works well and in control mentality. 

[Black Hawk]

43 minutes ago, rseven said:

This tactics works well and in control mentality. 

I didn't saw that and obviously I didn't test it either but looking at it there's something I'm noticing too: the developers of tactics have to resort to strange systems to break the CPU.

That one doesn't have a proper striker and has to have a five at the back display for it to be solid at the defense. Some of be best tactics around have things like 2 defenders only or no strikers or others strange things for them to work. Or, like I said, they have to be overload.

For example, I noticed on a Facebook group a sucessful tactic that works with looking for overlaps but passing focused on the middle and without wingers and narrow minded. They should not work at all together... but works.

I like to play this with some kind of realism and right now it feels like we have to turn on suspension of disbelief to play this game.

Edited December 4 by Black Hawk

[rseven]

41 minutes ago, Black Hawk said:

I didn't saw that and obviously I didn't test it either but looking at it there's something I'm noticing too: the developers of tactics have to resort to strange systems to break the CPU.

That one doesn't have a proper striker and has to have a five at the back display for it to be solid at the defense. Some of be best tactics around have things like 2 defenders only or no strikers or others strange things for them to work. Or, like I said, they have to be overload.

For example, I noticed on a Facebook group a sucessful tactic that works with looking for overlaps but passing focused on the middle and without wingers and narrow minded. They should not work at all together... but works.

I like to play this with some kind of realism and right now it feels like we have to turn on suspension of disbelief to play this game.

As I noticed from my observation, looking for overlap is not only for wing play, but also midfield. This instrution means the player with ball will hold the ball wait teammates running into position 

Edited December 4 by rseven