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44 minutes ago, Ian said:

I only listened to it Ash and seemed we were poor first half but still had chances. Sounded like we totally dominated the second half. I actually haven’t had much confidence in us going into this season as I just couldn’t see us anywhere near matching last season but yesterday has given me belief that we can have another go at it this season. 

The added matches are one concern as is the pressure of repeating last year tbh, I'm optimistic but just hoping we challenge and see where we end up. I do hope we take the domestic cups more seriously this year though, historically when we've nearly won the league we collapse and fell apart the following season which is the one thing we can't have happen this year, we need to stay in the race. 

My biggest fear would have to be a big injury to Becker, VVD or one the front three though. Understandably we can't have as good back ups for the defensive duo but I do think we're missing a trick not getting a like for like back up in the wide areas. I rate Origi, Shaqiri and Wilson deserves a chance yet they play completely differently to our other forwards which changes how we play. 

I keep thinking back to the lost CL final and how subbing Salah for Lallana just killed our attack, granted I know that's a one off and unfair as Lallana wasn't fit but removing that frightening pace from our attack hurts us. At the time I remember screaming for Moreno to replace Salah of all players 😂

The one thing stopping me screaming from the roof tops for a Salah/Mane back up is purely because I have no idea who I'd even want in that position lol. The fact all three had long summers and that they burnt out in the last two seasons for a spell which arguably cost us titles just worries me. I suppose I'm also not really considering Oxlade returning to the wing but that's because I like him central, I suppose we need alot from him and Keita this season. 

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1 hour ago, Ashez said:

The added matches are one concern as is the pressure of repeating last year tbh, I'm optimistic but just hoping we challenge and see where we end up. I do hope we take the domestic cups more seriously this year though, historically when we've nearly won the league we collapse and fell apart the following season which is the one thing we can't have happen this year, we need to stay in the race. 

My biggest fear would have to be a big injury to Becker, VVD or one the front three though. Understandably we can't have as good back ups for the defensive duo but I do think we're missing a trick not getting a like for like back up in the wide areas. I rate Origi, Shaqiri and Wilson deserves a chance yet they play completely differently to our other forwards which changes how we play. 

I keep thinking back to the lost CL final and how subbing Salah for Lallana just killed our attack, granted I know that's a one off and unfair as Lallana wasn't fit but removing that frightening pace from our attack hurts us. At the time I remember screaming for Moreno to replace Salah of all players 😂

The one thing stopping me screaming from the roof tops for a Salah/Mane back up is purely because I have no idea who I'd even want in that position lol. The fact all three had long summers and that they burnt out in the last two seasons for a spell which arguably cost us titles just worries me. I suppose I'm also not really considering Oxlade returning to the wing but that's because I like him central, I suppose we need alot from him and Keita this season. 

Yeah I had thought we’d have done more business than we have which is what has concerned me. I still think we’ll sign one player for big money say £30-60m but I have no idea who although I remember getting a shock when we went in for Ox a couple of years ago towards end of window and I think something like that may happen again.

Really feel we need a back up left back but Klopp seems happy with our options there so I’ve given up on that one. 

Just see what happens but at least a forward would be my main want as Sturridge featured a lot more than people realise last year and I know Klopp is hyping up Brewster but I wouldn’t want to have to rely on him at this stage. 

Midfield is tricky as I often feel like we need a more creative type in there but I think Klopp wants the dribbling driving type and with Ox getting back to fitness and Keita hopefully having an improved season we may be ok.

Anyway I’m looking forward to the season now I have to say. 

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1 hour ago, Ian said:

Really feel we need a back up left back but Klopp seems happy with our options there so I’ve given up on that one. 

I expected two full backs or at least someone who could play both sides so getting none has surprised me. Granted Gomez and Milner can play both sides and two of the kids have done okay in pre season at LB so I'm not raging we signed no one but with how we played last season an injury to Robbo or Trent would again mean we have to change style, Our FBs were vital to our success and removing Trent/Robbo from the team weakens us alot in attack and defensively. 

1 hour ago, Ian said:

Just see what happens but at least a forward would be my main want as Sturridge featured a lot more than people realise last year and I know Klopp is hyping up Brewster but I wouldn’t want to have to rely on him at this stage. 

Agreed, I assume Origi and Brewster are expected to carry the slack of removing Sturridge which is okay, but having to rely on either for a prolonged spell is a concern. I think what's hurt us in many ways is Arsenal and our previous business as look at the prices for Zaha/Pepe being thrown around, historically you'd expect those to be £30-40m players like Salah/Mane were but that price has doubled, spending £80 on a back up is tough, especially for one who'd have to understand they may not feature much. If you aren't willing to spend the £80m for the type of player we need you start looking at more risky potential solutions that would likely still cost what we paid for Mane which might end up more like Markovic than Salah. 

1 hour ago, Ian said:

Midfield is tricky as I often feel like we need a more creative type in there but I think Klopp wants the dribbling driving type and with Ox getting back to fitness and Keita hopefully having an improved season we may be ok.

I'm not knocking the midfield too much as while it can be bland it also pressed extremely well and offers so much protection, that midfield got us a record points tally and a CL win so I'm fully behind them. Especially as Keita was starting to shine last season and because I think Oxlade could play a big role for us. I expect Milner to feature less as the season goes on, so it depends how Gini and Henderson perform from there. 

Or we do what the rumours suggest and bring back Coutinho, which I'm mixed on. I do feel we've moved passed his style of play yet I can't deny his quality. I'm just not sure he's suited to our wing play anymore or disciplined enough to play central, however with how impressive Gini and Fabinho were last season maybe they could cover the Brazilian's lack of defensive awareness. As for would I bring back the "snake" I think I would, while his injury faking BS sucked and how he tried to ruin our season by issuing a transfer request before the first game it's nothing VVD didn't do to force his move, you can't have it both ways. 

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2 minutes ago, Ashez said:

Or we do what the rumours suggest and bring back Coutinho, which I'm mixed on. I do feel we've moved passed his style of play yet I can't deny his quality. I'm just not sure he's suited to our wing play anymore or disciplined enough to play central, however with how impressive Gini and Fabinho were last season maybe they could cover the Brazilian's lack of defensive awareness. As for would I bring back the "snake" I think I would, while his injury faking BS sucked and how he tried to ruin our season by issuing a transfer request before the first game it's nothing VVD didn't do to force his move, you can't have it both ways. 

I’ve mentioned before that I wouldn’t entertain bringing him back but things change and I’ve changed my opinion as if we could do a good deal to bring him back I’d accept it. He’d be keen to impress and would be a good option at centre midfield or wide left if needed. 

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6 minutes ago, Ashez said:

think Oxlade could play a big role for us. 

Is the worry not that he might have lost some pace due to the injury? Saw a quote from him at the weekend saying that his mind wants him to do certain things but his body won’t let him and he wouldn’t be the first player to lose his pace following a serious injury.

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5 minutes ago, Foxy said:

Is the worry not that he might have lost some pace due to the injury? Saw a quote from him at the weekend saying that his mind wants him to do certain things but his body won’t let him and he wouldn’t be the first player to lose his pace following a serious injury.

Yes that is the fear I’ve had with him as it was a long lay off. He doesn’t seem the type that could easily adapt his game either but we’ll just have to wait and see I suppose.

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1 hour ago, Foxy said:

Is the worry not that he might have lost some pace due to the injury? Saw a quote from him at the weekend saying that his mind wants him to do certain things but his body won’t let him and he wouldn’t be the first player to lose his pace following a serious injury.

He's looked fresh in most of pre season so I'm not really worried yet, we'll know more when the season starts though. 

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28 minutes ago, Foxy said:

@samhardy we need to come up with a new name for the Checkashit Trophy now the sponsor has changed.

 

End of an era for the premier competition in English football but it will forever be known as the Checkashit in spirit.

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@Ashez has bottled going first in the PL table predictions this season so I will kick them off.

  1. Manchester City
  2. Liverpool
  3. Spurs
  4. Arsenal
  5. Chelsea
  6. Manchester United
  7. Leicester
  8. Everton
  9. Wolves
  10. West Ham
  11. Bournemouth
  12. Southampton
  13. Watford
  14. Aston Villa
  15. Burnley
  16. Crystal Palace
  17. Norwich
  18. Brighton
  19. Newcastle
  20. Sheffield United

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I've never seen a team give us this much space, it's utter madness. 

Alisson 

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Ridiculous management by Farke to play so open. You can’t go to Anfield and expect to play the same way you did last year against Rotherham and not get a hiding.

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On 08/08/2019 at 20:28, samhardy said:

@Ashez has bottled going first in the PL table predictions this season so I will kick them off.

  1. Manchester City
  2. Liverpool
  3. Spurs
  4. Arsenal
  5. Chelsea
  6. Manchester United
  7. Leicester
  8. Everton
  9. Wolves
  10. West Ham
  11. Bournemouth
  12. Southampton
  13. Watford
  14. Aston Villa
  15. Burnley
  16. Crystal Palace
  17. Norwich
  18. Brighton
  19. Newcastle
  20. Sheffield United

What!! 

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Top the league 💪

In all seriousness it's a great win but in that situation City would have gone on to score 5/6+. If we saved energy or attacked less once a game was won I'd understand but we don't, we just aren't ruthless enough.

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2 minutes ago, Ashez said:

Top the league 💪

In all seriousness it's a great win but in that situation City would have gone on to score 5/6+. If we saved energy or attacked less once a game was won I'd understand but we don't, we just aren't ruthless enough.

Can’t defend either and a better team than Norwich would have taken advantage of that far more.

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First games can be tricky regardless of opposition so I’m happy to take the win. Defence seems a bit off again but I’m not going to worry at this stage as it seems to have been assumed that we wouldn’t be able to step up our performance against a better side when we probably would. 

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1 hour ago, samhardy said:

What objections do you have Woody?

Erm....let me think 😆

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Just want to take this opportunity to poke fun at the not so mighty Potters.

YOUR SHIT AND YOUR GOING DOWN!!

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Lazio obviously. Their Ultras are nuts!

We have already heard Ashley has no wish to sell.

I love how ex pro's are saying well done to Ashley for spending. We has spent what we bought in and replaced what left. We haven't improved the squad we are still fucked if we get injuries. Where is the rest of the tv money. There should be after those that left £190m+ and thats why they are protesting when Villa spend over £150m. 

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So much for taking the game to Arsenal. Might as well let them have the ball.

Shit!

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Delighted with the win today.

 

Brilliant result, but Chelsea outplayed us in the first half and could easily have gone in ahead. At times our attackers were taking far too much time and touches, as if waiting for space to magically appear for them. We seriously lack creativity.

 

We only started to dominate once we went three up, but the fact that we were ultimately able to dominate Chelsea (albeit a heavily depleted Chelsea) at home is hugely encouraging. Our backline looks far more secure than last season. De Gea looks back to his best. Hugely encouraging that Tuanzebe made the bench ahead of Smalling and Jones.

 

We lack technical ability, the amount of times our forwards, McTominay and Pogba in particular, lost the ball was worrying. Sensational assist from Pogba though, and our main (only?) creative outlet. Keeping him in form will be key to a good season.

 

Rashford had some great finishes, really hope he can step up for us this season and grab 25+ goals. Martial looked sharper than last season too, looks hungry which is important for a moody player like him.

 

AWB is a phenomenal talent - at 21, he was an absolute bargain at £50m. So secure at the back. Maguire made a great start to life at Old Trafford too.

 

Delighted for Greenwood to make a (brief) appearance - hopefully there's much more signs of him, Gomes et al. this season. Great for McTominay to play ahead of Matic too - he really seems a warrior in the centre of the park, though needs to improve technically.

 

We're a much better team than Chelsea on paper, and I'm delighted we showed it today - onwards and upwards for the season with our young squad.

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Bruce is doing his upmost to get sacked. I knew it would be a tricky fixture but for fuck sake play a formation that gives us a chance!!

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1 hour ago, Woody said:

Bruce is doing his upmost to get sacked. I knew it would be a tricky fixture but for fuck sake play a formation that gives us a chance!!

How did he set you up?

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1 hour ago, Rob said:

How did he set you up?

532 again mate....too defensive again.

You can tell the players dont want to play that formation at all. Rafa would of gone 433 against amd we have better players now. It makes no sense.

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3 minutes ago, Woody said:

532 again mate....too defensive again.

Weird. From an outside perspective he is an odd appointment.

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Just now, Rob said:

Weird. From an outside perspective he is an odd appointment.

Sam was right(as usuall) he'll be gone by xmas.

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