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54 minutes ago, FuddledFox said:

Has there ever been a more overrated player than Will Grigg and all because of a song.

 

 

Probably not in the Will Grig mold but Declan Rice for me is overrated! I cant stand him.

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1 hour ago, FuddledFox said:

Has there ever been a more overrated player than Will Grigg and all because of a song.

 

 

No 

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45 minutes ago, Woody said:

Probably not in the Will Grig mold but Declan Rice for me is overrated! I cant stand him.

I agree, does very little to warrant the praise and yet... 🤦‍♂️

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a very likely liverpool XI against LCFC

Adrian 

neco williams matip phillips robertson 

henderson wijnaldum curtis jones 

sadio jota minamino

 

thoughts, views? 

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40 minutes ago, FMFanatic20 said:

a very likely liverpool XI against LCFC

Adrian 

neco williams matip phillips robertson 

henderson wijnaldum curtis jones 

sadio jota minamino

 

thoughts, views? 

Suck it up, we're all in the same boat

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57 minutes ago, FMFanatic20 said:

a very likely liverpool XI against LCFC

Adrian 

neco williams matip phillips robertson 

henderson wijnaldum curtis jones 

sadio jota minamino

 

thoughts, views? 

Wtf 😂 I feel bad for you guys need play this squad against the league leaders. 

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I feel bad for Liverpool but if only they didn't sold Lovren aka "the best defender in the world" :D

Jokes aside, I think the medical and and physical trainers in the staff are poor quality, otherwise how on earth you can get so many injuries

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12 minutes ago, George Traistă said:

I feel bad for Liverpool but if only they didn't sold Lovren aka "the best defender in the world" :D

Jokes aside, I think the medical and and physical trainers in the staff are poor quality, otherwise how on earth you can get so many injuries

Funny you say this, as I’m fairly sure they start with naff ratings for their physios. Which makes me think, if you are a player and you are rated a certain way I guess you just accept it, but how on earth do SI rate physios? And does anyone else always employ Alastair Beattie?

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5 minutes ago, Rob said:

Funny you say this, as I’m fairly sure they start with naff ratings for their physios. Which makes me think, if you are a player and you are rated a certain way I guess you just accept it, but how on earth do SI rate physios? And does anyone else always employ Alastair Beattie?

Can’t say I remember the name of the physios I employ, but I do seem to sign the same coaches, I always sign welsh coaches to make it look realistic and we know each other 🤣Ryland Morgan’s, always my no 2!

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5 minutes ago, Rob said:

Funny you say this, as I’m fairly sure they start with naff ratings for their physios. Which makes me think, if you are a player and you are rated a certain way I guess you just accept it, but how on earth do SI rate physios? And does anyone else always employ Alastair Beattie?

Actually, in the game Liverpool physios are not that great, all 3 are natural but only one is gold (prev) and two are bronze (rehab).

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3 minutes ago, RichD said:

Can’t say I remember the name of the physios I employ, but I do seem to sign the same coaches, I always sign welsh coaches to make it look realistic and we know each other 🤣Ryland Morgan’s, always my no 2!

My top pick is Denis Bergkamp and then Roy Kean or Ashley Cole. I only remember one Physio, Ben Nixon

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18 minutes ago, Rob said:

Funny you say this, as I’m fairly sure they start with naff ratings for their physios. Which makes me think, if you are a player and you are rated a certain way I guess you just accept it, but how on earth do SI rate physios? And does anyone else always employ Alastair Beattie?

If you look at last year injuries you will see that Liverpool were in the top with some big injuries and is clearly a problem in the training staff and no, I'm not just talking, I'm a graduate of National Academy of Physical Education and Sports from Romania and some of my friends include big names from physical training and physio here in Romania, just to name a few is the physio lead of NT of Romania, the physical trainer of NT Romania handbal and CSM Bucuresti handbal (top europe team), former physio of Simona Halep (2nd in the word) and may more. Just few days I had a chat with the physical trainer of Horia Tecau (21st ATP double) about Liverpool and he was staggered of how players go down like flies in the team. The big picture and many football fans tend to blame FIFA, UEFA or FA for the Liverpool injury crisis but is surely not like that.

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1 minute ago, George Traistă said:

If you look at last year injuries you will see that Liverpool were in the top with some big injuries and is clearly a problem in the training staff and no, I'm not just talking, I'm a graduate of National Academy of Physical Education and Sports from Romania and some of my friends include big names from physical training and physio here in Romania, just to name a few is the physio lead of NT of Romania, the physical trainer of NT Romania handbal and CSM Bucuresti handbal (top europe team), former physio of Simona Halep (2nd in the word) and may more. Just few days I had a chat with the physical trainer of Horia Tecau (21st ATP double) about Liverpool and he was staggered of how players go down like flies in the team. The big picture and many football fans tend to blame FIFA, UEFA or FA for the Liverpool injury crisis but is surely not like that.

Fascinating, thank you for sharing. That’s interesting. Why do you think such a big club like Liverpool don’t seem to employ the best of the best?

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15 minutes ago, Rob said:

Fascinating, thank you for sharing. That’s interesting. Why do you think such a big club like Liverpool don’t seem to employ the best of the best?

From my experience I can put the fingers on few things

1. The manager usually comes with his training coaches not phisical trainers or physios so most of the times those are inherited

2. Physical trainers and physios are, most of the times, not former atheles and they like to have a family life and not jump from town to town and club to club. For example the NT Romania Physio refused CFR Cluj because he didn't want to leave his home town and he only travels to Bucharest when the NT has games. 

3. Is somehow tied with point 2, many have medical background so they earn more from their own clinics and won't leave to a bigger club because they want to grow their business. A club life can be short, managers come and go, family and business are permanent.

LE. 4.working in sport is great and you fell in love with the club you are working on so why go to another club when you love your team and that team is ok-ish? A physio from a mid table team in Pl won't go to City and Liverpool. I've been there... I was the marketing director for a top flight handball team here for few years and even tho I had offer to switch sides to a football club, I have passed the offer, and prior to being hired by the handball club I had no affinity for that club

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Seems a tad extreme no? Last year we had hardly any injury issues outside of a couple injury prone lads (Oxlade, Matip, Shaq, Gomez and Naby). The consistency of our starting XI was one of our strongest aspects and they've ran themselves into the ground in the last two years. 

This year we've had multiple Covid, a few bad challenges, the odd muscle injury from no pre season and just some bad luck. If VVD and Gomez were fit noone would be talking about it as much, both were just unlucky. I said the other day Robbo has played the most mins in world football in 2020, he must be exhausted. I'll admit we could have protected a few of them alittle more than we have but honestly I've never once questioned our backroom staff relating to injuries since Klopp has been in. In fact alot of our players seem to get injured the second they leave our team and join up at ITN level, look at Gomez, Naby and now Robbo as examples. This is Gomez' second major injury which happened during an ITN call up. 

Our medical team has been put together and assembled as we've gone on under Klopp as we've poached people from Bayern, Arsenal and others iirc. Maybe it's all talk but Klopp is always discussing the medical team making calls on players and how their reports help pick his teams. Admittedly the physio is an explayer and not some leading expert but obviously he's qualified and the like. 

Unfortunately this spell has just hit us incredibly hard which just happens, just how we went basically two seasons without any major injuries across the pitch. It's only news as its basically wiped out our back four, otherwise there is no story there. One was "an awkward fall" in ITN training, god knows what happened to Robbo but on ITN duty, a horror tackle on VVD and the calf issue Trent picked up last time out. Add the 4/5 lads that caught covid and you have a crisis. 

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16 minutes ago, Ashez said:

Seems a tad extreme no? Last year we had hardly any injury issues outside of a couple injury prone lads (Oxlade, Matip, Shaq, Gomez and Naby). The consistency of our starting XI was one of our strongest aspects and they've ran themselves into the ground in the last two years. 

This year we've had multiple Covid, a few bad challenges, the odd muscle injury from no pre season and just some bad luck. If VVD and Gomez were fit noone would be talking about it as much, both were just unlucky. I said the other day Robbo has played the most mins in world football in 2020, he must be exhausted. I'll admit we could have protected a few of them alittle more than we have but honestly I've never once questioned our backroom staff relating to injuries since Klopp has been in. In fact alot of our players seem to get injured the second they leave our team and join up at ITN level, look at Gomez, Naby and now Robbo as examples. This is Gomez' second major injury which happened during an ITN call up. 

Our medical team has been put together and assembled as we've gone on under Klopp as we've poached people from Bayern, Arsenal and others iirc. Maybe it's all talk but Klopp is always discussing the medical team making calls on players and how their reports help pick his teams. Admittedly the physio is an explayer and not some leading expert but obviously he's qualified and the like. 

Unfortunately this spell has just hit us incredibly hard which just happens, just how we went basically two seasons without any major injuries across the pitch. It's only news as its basically wiped out our back four, otherwise there is no story there. One was "an awkward fall" in ITN training, god knows what happened to Robbo but on ITN duty, a horror tackle on VVD and the calf issue Trent picked up last time out. Add the 4/5 lads that caught covid and you have a crisis. 

Hardly none injury... 35 injuries from around 16 players. That is half of the squad had at leat 10 day off due to injuries.

And blaming more on int games seems off as the staff knows the matches list way ahead so the players must be prepared to be in shape and safe for every period. If you put the on stress without keeping an eye on int games is the clubs fault, not the UEFA, FIFA or FA. 

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16 minutes ago, George Traistă said:

Hardly none injury... 35 injuries from around 16 players. That is half of the squad had at leat 10 day off due to injuries.

And blaming more on int games seems off as the staff knows the matches list way ahead so the players must be prepared to be in shape and safe for every period. If you put the on stress without keeping an eye on int games is the clubs fault, not the UEFA, FIFA or FA. 

Are players who didn't feature like Clyne and Brewster included? Shaq, Matip and Oxlade missed chunks but they're injury prone. Every club has knocks and scrapes but mostly we've kept the front three and 3 of the back 4 solid. Alisson is one I have questions about though as he does like an injury unfortunately. Maybe Naby too but he's constantly being called up to ITN duty when not being fit. 

Then how many of these injuries are even preventable? I remember Salah took a bad challenge last year, as did Fabinho which led to mins missed. How could we prevent VVD or Gomez this year? Hell Thiago was assaulted in the same match as VVD. 

No chance, the club's pay the fees and the players wages and they make the game what it is, the club's should be selfish and imo I wish LFC blocked anyone going on ITN. ITN should have been cancelled this season as all its doing is adding to the stress and fatigue the players are dealing with and spreading Covid. The fact the game is too money hungry to do the right thing is sickening tbh, and that's on Uefa and FIFA. I'll admit I'm biased as tournaments aside I hate ITN football but this season especially, it's just unneeded. A tournament in the summer will be a shit show. The same goes for the Champions League and Europa League, I love the CL like nothing else but it shouldn't be happening this season. 

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3 hours ago, Ashez said:

Are players who didn't feature like Clyne and Brewster included? Shaq, Matip and Oxlade missed chunks but they're injury prone. Every club has knocks and scrapes but mostly we've kept the front three and 3 of the back 4 solid. Alisson is one I have questions about though as he does like an injury unfortunately. Maybe Naby too but he's constantly being called up to ITN duty when not being fit. 

Then how many of these injuries are even preventable? I remember Salah took a bad challenge last year, as did Fabinho which led to mins missed. How could we prevent VVD or Gomez this year? Hell Thiago was assaulted in the same match as VVD. 

No chance, the club's pay the fees and the players wages and they make the game what it is, the club's should be selfish and imo I wish LFC blocked anyone going on ITN. ITN should have been cancelled this season as all its doing is adding to the stress and fatigue the players are dealing with and spreading Covid. The fact the game is too money hungry to do the right thing is sickening tbh, and that's on Uefa and FIFA. I'll admit I'm biased as tournaments aside I hate ITN football but this season especially, it's just unneeded. A tournament in the summer will be a shit show. The same goes for the Champions League and Europa League, I love the CL like nothing else but it shouldn't be happening this season. 

I don't recon seeing Clyne and Brewster on that list. I remember Alison having two injuries and Adrian one. I think only Firmino wasn't on the list. 

Yes, there are injury prone players and those should have special training regime and the staff should give the green light only when they are sure about them, so they will have less stress on the body. 

Many injuries are preventable, not the one like VVD but a lot can be prevented if they train the right muscles, more than half of the knee injuries are due because the upper leg muscles are trained incorrectly.

About the wages and player not playing, I understand but... in order to play in the PL you need to be part of the FA and the FA is part of the UEFA so, if clubs don't want players to have a go on int games, go ahead and make their own league... I'LL DO MY OWN LEAGUE, WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS 🤣. And clubs get some money from FIFA and UEFA for the days players are out for int games, not much compared with some wages but still, again, if you don't want, make your own league.

Andnis also the matter that many players will give more on int games, they feel pride for playing under the flag more than playing for a big club so they will fight harder and combined with the fact that they make also bigger effort because they have different team mates and different system, you get som injuries.

This year is a little bit different but that won't make up for the amount of unforced injuries Liverpool and City have, the staff as a whole is not a doing a great job and the stress on players is bigger, you have a schedule and you need to train and play your players accordingly so you will have the best results with the lowest damage possible. 

Edited by George Traistă

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3 minutes ago, George Traistă said:

Oh no, it looks like Henderson may be out too... 

What could possibly go worse after this.... 😔

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4 first team players injured or made unavailable on ITN duty yet Liverpool are to blame 😛

I wonder who we'll have left after the last utterly pointless match.

Seen England are paying us £2m for the Gomez injury. So we can't use a £50-60+m CB for the season but £2m is the insurance 😂

Oh well we're only playing against Vardy next with a makeshift back 4 😂😂😂

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I just took a look at the staff on Liverpool website and it looks like both first team physiotherapist are new, joining the club in 2020. The other physio is from 2016 but only started to work with the first team in 2019. The same thing goes with the masseur (2020), team doctor (2020), one of fitness coaches and the asistent (both 2019). All in all, 8 out of 11 related with physical training and physio are new or relatively new in the staff (2019 or 2020)

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5 hours ago, George Traistă said:

Yes, there are injury prone players and those should have special training regime and the staff should give the green light only when they are sure about them, so they will have less stress on the body. 

Klopp doesn’t believe in individual programmes in general. I’ve heard him mention players coming back to fitness and him mentioning, seeing how they do in training as to whether they’ll be in contention to start. I think he expects all players to be able to train the same way at the same intensity.

As an example, Craig Bellamy had knee issues so would train in a different way to many in the squad at city under Hughes but Mancini came in and that suddenly wasn’t acceptable, or at least it wasn’t if Bellamy wanted to actually play a lot.

It’s one of those arguments that I see both sides but I won’t be going all out on klopp and his beliefs at this stage for obvious reasons. 

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7 minutes ago, Ian said:

Klopp doesn’t believe in individual programmes in general. I’ve heard him mention players coming back to fitness and him mentioning, seeing how they do in training as to whether they’ll be in contention to start. I think he expects all players to be able to train the same way at the same intensity.

As an example, Craig Bellamy had knee issues so would train in a different way to many in the squad at city under Hughes but Mancini came in and that suddenly wasn’t acceptable, or at least it wasn’t if Bellamy wanted to actually play a lot.

It’s one of those arguments that I see both sides but I won’t be going all out on klopp and his beliefs at this stage for obvious reasons. 

I think the pressure on managers to get things done and deliver is high and some won't let the long recover take place as they need those big money players to play, not just spend a fortune and fee and wages to sit at home on gameday. 

The problem is that with some players can work like that if the damage is not that bad or he didn't turn into an injury prone already and some won't work and this can turn around like a bumerang. And also it will affect the player career, and the player doesn't have the knowledge or the power to overturn the manager and staff decision. This is the football right now, is about the money in the end. 

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