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2 hours ago, Ashez said:

Adrian conceded 7-9 of those depending on if you'd count the Everton 2 or when they happened, cba to look. 

Liverpool is rotten because noone gave Alisson a cuddle 😂, love it. 

Whatever helps you sleep at night, you couldn't live with us last season and you couldn't up until Xmas this season. That's fact. We crumbled while you found form. We couldn't sustain missing half the squad and key players that made us special. 

It took us to implode, to have some of the worst injury luck the league has ever seen, a pandemic stretching finances and the worst VAR "luck" going for you guys to compete again. Congratulations. 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21%3fplatform=amp

You'll still be found out in Europe regardless. 

Like I said above this conversation is worthless, next season on even footing will be the time for discussions. That's when we'll know what's up. 

The Dortmund comparison is clutching at straws tbh. He had half a terrible season after working wonders on a tiny budget and replacing the squad often losing his best players. He turned it around and just about saved their season before leaving. They sold the best striker in world football and replaced him with someone who flopped, Dortmund used smart recruitment on cheap players which went wrong one season. I suppose we sign similarly but we have bigger pockets and buy the right player when needed. Klopp has shown he doesn't need a chequebook to wins things twice, Pep just needs all the money in the world and the best squads ever assembled. 

You put Klopp or Pep at Newcastle right now, who'd you think would do better? Who'd you rather @Rich? @Woody? Any other toon fan? I know I'd go Klopp 100%. 

I prefer Klopps all out attacking football tbh. I dont dislike Pep's way but i love how Liverpool attack teams.

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16 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Not sure about this part though. Apart from VVD, I don’t think Matip and Gomez would go into our team.

I think it was mainly on the Liverpool rumour sites but I remember seeing Pep was interested in Gomez, can't seem to find any reports though so maybe it was just BS. Gomez and Matip are class though, just injury prone. Before Dias both would walk into your team though, now it's tighter obviously. Gomez's form did dip last year but the year before he was immense. 

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4 minutes ago, Ashez said:

I think it was mainly on the Liverpool rumour sites but I remember seeing Pep was interested in Gomez, can't seem to find any reports though so maybe it was just BS. Gomez and Matip are class though, just injury prone. Before Dias both would walk into your team though, now it's tighter obviously. Gomez's form did dip last year but the year before he was immense. 

He’s class but I think he won’t start ahead of Stones, Dias and makeshift Fernandinho. He can compete with Ake with Garcia recent deep of form. The position I’m sure Liverpool can walk into our team would surely be our forwards. No freaking idea how our frontline can have players so quality yet so shit.

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9 hours ago, Ashez said:

You wanted it ranked on success, that's all I did. Just on the important European level you owners want and have spent a fortune failing to achieve. Even you want it. 

Be domestic royalty until your owners pull the plug, Liverpool are European royalty and as we've discussed you've got a free hit this season. 

Just remember next season that you couldn't keep the pace until we imploded, last season you were nowhere near and the season before the width of a post was the deciding factor. 

 

The light hearted discussion was about the Premier League which you know very well. 

I hope I've gone some way to dismiss the urban myths that Liverpool have only turned to s4it because of injuries to the defenders and that Liverpool have won the league on a shoe string. 

The facts speak for themselves and are evidence based not opinion. 

 

If you want to ignore those facts and start a different discussion on European football to make you feel better then ok. 

Liverpool are far more successful in Europe than City. 

There, that's the truth of it. 

 

Now you've moved on to City wanting your defenders because it was on a Liverpool fan forum and we only won the league by the width of a post.......

 

This seems to be disintegrating into many different directions so I won't bore everyone by continuing my chain yanking. A nerve seems to have been touched. 

 

 

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21 hours ago, Ashez said:

I reckon Klopp could make your front three pretty tasty not going to lie! Dunno about the midfield mind! That front three though has alot of what he likes like graft, pace, ability and so on. 

 

5 minutes ago, Aaron Thornton said:

Since when did The Toon become a pressing team 🤔

Bruce is obviously a Viber! 

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6 minutes ago, Aaron Thornton said:

Since when did The Toon become a pressing team 🤔

Since Graeme Jones came in. We're still getting used to it but it's making us a lot more tolerable to watch.

If only Almiron had support. The fella is everywhere!

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3 minutes ago, Woody said:

You're confident 😂

Played well today. Gutted but Shelvey is an absolute liability!

We did play well. Ultimately, their individual quality was the difference.

Fulham win against Palace next week and we're in the bottom 3. 😔 We won't get anything from the Wolves game, I can feel it. Some tough weeks and months ahead.

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1 minute ago, Dai_ said:

We did play well. Ultimately, their individual quality was the difference.

Fulham win against Palace next week and we're in the bottom 3. 😔 We won't get anything from the Wolves game, I can feel it. Some tough weeks and months ahead.

Defo. The injuries are telling too.

Not sure why he bought ASM off as i would of had Murphy on aswell as.

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36 minutes ago, Woody said:

Defo. The injuries are telling too.

Not sure why he bought ASM off as i would of had Murphy on aswell as.

ASM still hasn't played a lot of football. I know we're getting a week or so break in between games but he's obviously still not ready to play a full 90. Was he ever?

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Henderson reported to be out for the next 5 games, FML. 

Saw this earlier 

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No surprise that those are the players we've absolutely ran into the ground just trying to cope and who've looked knackered often, the first three especially. 

This season has be utterly mental. 

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2 hours ago, Dai_ said:

ASM still hasn't played a lot of football. I know we're getting a week or so break in between games but he's obviously still not ready to play a full 90. Was he ever?

He is non stop 😂

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13 hours ago, Ashez said:

Henderson reported to be out for the next 5 games, FML. 

Saw this earlier 

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No surprise that those are the players we've absolutely ran into the ground just trying to cope and who've looked knackered often, the first three especially. 

This season has be utterly mental. 

 

For some context,

 

There have been 25 League games played by the majority of teams. If we take a rough guide as 3/4 of the season that would equal 18 games so far. I would be happy if my players played 3/4 of league matches given other cup commitments.

 

Liverpool players who have played 3/4 of league games or more.

 

Allison 21

Robertson 25

TAA 23

Fabinho 18

Gini W 25

Henderson 21

Jones 18

Firmino 25

Mane 22

Salah 24

 

10 players have played 3/4 of games or more and that looks like a pretty decent team right there. Add in a centreback to partner Fab and that's a title winning starting 11.

 

 

Leicester City. Played the same amount of games and have to contend with the harder schedule of the UEFA Cup.

 

Kasper 25

Justin 23

Evans 21

Tielemans 25

Maddison 23

Albrighton 18

Barnes 24

Mendy 19

Vardy 21

 

( players who have played 3/4 of league games or more)

 

Comparing the 2 teams above I would say Leicester have considerably outperformed Liverpool considering - Players available, current league standing and the UEFA Cup commitments.

 

Other teams ahead of Liverpool in the League

 

Man U - 12 players have played 3/4 of games or more

Man City 10, I'm surprised by that. The same as Liverpool

West Ham -  8 players !!!!!!

Chelsea - 9 Players

 

 

Take from that what you will but I guess 20/21 is just a crazy season for every team. Some have outperformed their circumstances and some have not.

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Manchester City have an insane week beating Spurs, Everton and Arsenal which is a massive 9 points by any clubs standards and you only want to discuss Liverpool 😂

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6 minutes ago, Ashez said:

Manchester City have an insane week beating Spurs, Everton and Arsenal which is a massive 9 points by any clubs standards and you only want to discuss Liverpool 😂

Ummm, I just replied to yet another

'its not fair we have injuries' post. 

 

Truth is you've caught me. I'm a closet red. I just didn't know how to come out. 

 

Seriously though I'm a stats man. I love them and perhaps thats why I've always enjoyed CM/FM. 

Stats and evidence are a far better barometer than emotions which we all get wrapped up in. 

I know Liverpool fans think they've had it far worse than any other team has experienced in the history of the sport, but that's just biased emotion based and isn't backed up by reality. 

When you hit them with the facts they deflect like you are doing. 

 

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4 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

Are we going to keep arguing about Liverpool and Man City? I’ve gone bored of it.

 

 

Sorry mate, I'm not arguing. It's just tiresome seeing (not just on FM) the same old excuses. 

I hope Ash understands this has nothing to do with him, just my view in general. 

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you're winding him up though mate.

If Liverpool had the team and spending power of you lot they would be out of sight and you can't argue against that considering how last season went..

The injuries have destroyed the 1st 11 regardless of how well Liverpool are not playing but it just exacerbates things.

You would rattle the same shite if it was Man Utd and its just getting old now. Look at Newcastle, if we had the injuries Liverpool had to our most important players we would most likely be bottom(granted we practically are). we have a few 1st teamers out now that is costing us plus out of form players.

Its all contextual.

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4 hours ago, billy2shots said:

Sorry mate, I'm not arguing. It's just tiresome seeing (not just on FM) the same old excuses. 

That's not what's tiresome. Tbf i thought my brentford interjections were, but they're probably seen as light relief amidst the darkness...

1 hour ago, Woody said:

you're winding him up though mate.

If Liverpool had the team and spending power of you lot they would be out of sight and you can't argue against that...

That's... not the impression I'm getting :D

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Fair enough. 

 

Sorry if I have wound you up Ash and sorry to everyone else for keeping on. 

I'm sure Liverpool will be back on top next season with better injury luck. 

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1 minute ago, Dai_ said:

Consider it saved. 👌

I hope it happens now, I just wanted to have one of the moments where I’m rarely right and maybe get lucky 😂

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