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Just now, Ashez said:

You can argue the rules are wrong or that referees don't implement them properly but the James red card was the letter of the law, that's a fact. It was a red card all day long and would be for any team in any league. 

Whatever you say Sir.

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What's everyone think about the blackout debate then? I think it's absolutely stupid the thing to start the debate back up again for the first time in years is bloody Ronaldo, like Jesus Christ. 

Anyway I've always hated the blackout and I am someone who'll "find a way" to watch Liverpool if they happen to play at 3pm, granted I'm lucky as we're televised alot but the few times it happens it does almost ruin the weekend. I'm either pissed off I'm not watching it or getting frustrated with the usually questionable quality of the means I'm forced to go to to get my fix. I do plan my weekends around LFC and the other big matches, so when I have to plan in a 3pm KO and I don't get a decent stream it frustrates me no end, we've a 3pm kick off on my birthday and I'm already annoyed I'll have to deal with that 😂

However I understand why it exists and I think that's all well and good, I know the die hards say they'd still go local and lower down the pyramid and all that but I do think televised games would impact clubs. 

I just don't get why they don't just do away with Premier League 3pm kick offs tbh. Give the lower leagues a complete window to be the focus. Obviously that would make fitting the other games on Tele awkward, especially in regards to traveling supporters. Would just spreading the 3pm fixtures across the 12.30, 5.30 and 7-8pm kick off times work? Maybe have an extra game on Sunday? I dunno but in this day and age I do think matches should be available live. Everyone knows streams exists and thousands are forced to watch them.

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Removing it would wreck clubs like Weymouth. The fans down the ground who happen to also support Manchester United, etc, would definitely disappear and all you’d be left with is the old boys whose whole life’s have been built around watching the team.

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35 minutes ago, Rob said:

Removing it would wreck clubs like Weymouth. The fans down the ground who happen to also support Manchester United, etc, would definitely disappear and all you’d be left with is the old boys whose whole life’s have been built around watching the team.

That's why I think they should just separate the kick off times like they do aboard. Obviously I know away fans and the bigger pyramid is more of an English thing but it is daft we aren't able to watch half the matches. 

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Even Ronaldo’s debut for Manchester United against us isn’t on tv as it’s a 3pm kick off, not that I’m complaining as I don’t fancy seeing us get hammered. But it should be televised in the UK. Totally agree for smaller clubs though, but like @Ashez said separate  kick off times like they do in Spain etc.

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Here in Aus, all of the matches are available to watch live.

Given I'm 8 hours ahead so a 3pm kick off is actually 11pm... I look forward to the 12pm kick offs as it means I don't have to stay up too late ;)

I very rarely get up for the late kick offs mid-week as o generally have to get up about 5:30 for work so I usually can check the score for the last few minutes of the game. That Everton game was a prime example. I looked at my phone, saw we were 2 nil down, went in the shower came out and saw we were 2-2 I was very confused!

I don't think having the games available on TV/the internet will stop people going to the games. I know initially they were trying to stop people just going to the pub and losing the match revenue. But if anything last season proved that the match revenue isn't that important. Yes it's needed. But it's not the be all and end all. It would just mean clubs have to accept there's slightly less money available. After a few years and if player prices came down accordingly it would all settle out.

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15 minutes ago, Rich said:

Poor Harvey Elliot, looked horrific😢

It looked awful mate. So glad its just a disclocation and not a broken ankle. Less of 2 evils 😕

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1 minute ago, Woody said:

It looked awful mate. So glad its just a disclocation and not a broken ankle. Less of 2 evils 😕

Ohh that’s good news, I hadn’t seen any news on it. I tore my ligaments in my ankle 15 years ago and it still affects me 😳

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Just now, Rich said:

Ohh that’s good news, I hadn’t seen any news on it. I tore my ligaments in my ankle 15 years ago and it still affects me 😳

Ouch! I did something similar. 

Mine tendons shredded....looked like string cheese 😂

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I'm still gutted now, one them moments the second it happens you just feel sick. Sucked the joy out of a very enjoyable match. 

The club have announced he's out of hospital and having surgery in the coming days. 

Everyone see Klopp's interview? He was obviously shook up. 

Klopp says it's a dislocation and it was put back in, he also says he knew something was wrong as his foot was facing the wrong way 🤢. I can't handle shit like that not going to lie haha. 

Trying not to get caught up in non official stuff but seen a few people say an ankle dislocation usually also ends with a break due to how the socket is, but all reports just say the dislocation ATM. 

Klopp said against Burnley letting more tackles go will lead to injuries, for once I wish he was wrong but more often than not he's proven right. Burnley kicked the shit out of Elliott and everyone mocked Klopp for moaning, now Elliott is out for who knows how long. A daft needless challenge from behind might have ruined a career that looked incredibly bright. Don't get me wrong I want a contact sport but players need protection and the more that's let go the more they'll push the limits, I agree this was an accidental injury with no intent but it was a rash challenge. 

This time last year we lost VVD and Thiago to disgusting challenges and now Elliott. 

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7 minutes ago, Woody said:

Ouch! I did something similar. 

Mine tendons shredded....looked like string cheese 😂

Sounds awful mate. Only happened to us as we are elite athletes.

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1 minute ago, Ashez said:

I'm still gutted now, one them moments the second it happens you just feel sick. Sucked the joy out of a very enjoyable match. 

The club have announced he's out of hospital and having surgery in the coming days. 

Everyone see Klopp's interview? He was obviously shook up. 

Klopp says it's a dislocation and it was put back in, he also says he knew something was wrong as his foot was facing the wrong way 🤢. I can't handle shit like that not going to lie haha. 

Trying not to get caught up in non official stuff but seen a few people say an ankle dislocation usually also ends with a break due to how the socket is, but all reports just say the dislocation ATM. 

Klopp said against Burnley letting more tackles go will lead to injuries, for once I wish he was wrong but more often than not he's proven right. Burnley kicked the shit out of Elliott and everyone mocked Klopp for moaning, now Elliott is out for who knows how long. A daft needless challenge from behind might have ruined a career that looked incredibly bright. Don't get me wrong I want a contact sport but players need protection and the more that's let go the more they'll push the limits, I agree this was an accidental injury with no intent but it was a rash challenge. 

This time last year we lost VVD and Thiago to disgusting challenges and now Elliott. 

It’s awful, hate seeing stuff like that, makes me feel sick inside. Only going by what Alan Shearer said when he said his knee injuries early on never affected his speed or anything, it was when he done his ankle he had to change his whole game, I hope for Harvey Elliot it isn’t the same, such a great young talent.

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17 minutes ago, Rich said:

Sounds awful mate. Only happened to us as we are elite athletes.

Aint that the truth

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I was listening on the radio so haven’t seen it but they did say that Salah went over and had to cover his eyes. I know nothing about dislocated ankles but I know with shoulders it can mean you’re never 100% again and at a very high risk of suffering further dislocations. Obviously the ankle has to take weight much more often than the shoulder but on the other hand that could lead to it getting a better blood supply so just have to hope he can recover ok. He is really young too which must surely give him a good chance. 

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Susan believe that if he’s dislocated it and they’ve managed to get it back in without any ligament damage then he should be able to make a full recovery.

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2 hours ago, Ian said:

I was listening on the radio so haven’t seen it but they did say that Salah went over and had to cover his eyes. I know nothing about dislocated ankles but I know with shoulders it can mean you’re never 100% again and at a very high risk of suffering further dislocations. Obviously the ankle has to take weight much more often than the shoulder but on the other hand that could lead to it getting a better blood supply so just have to hope he can recover ok. He is really young too which must surely give him a good chance. 

From what I read Elliot went to get up, that's one reason Salah ran at him calling the medics and telling him to stay down. 

1 hour ago, Ian said:

Susan believe that if he’s dislocated it and they’ve managed to get it back in without any ligament damage then he should be able to make a full recovery.

From what Klopp said it sounds like they popped it back in on the pitch. Suppose we'll know more after his operation.

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Sodding well horrible and ruined what was a good game.

I personally don’t like ‘strong challenges’. I hate the leniency of the rules this year. Football is an art to me. If you want physical stuff then go watch rugby. Football being a ‘man’s game’ is such sterotypical tripe, born out of justifying thugs getting to spend time on the pitch with proper footballers.

Just my opinion, of course, but that’s why my favourite ever player is Xavi and not Shawcross.

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11 minutes ago, Rob said:

Sodding well horrible and ruined what was a good game.

I personally don’t like ‘strong challenges’. I hate the leniency of the rules this year. Football is an art to me. If you want physical stuff then go watch rugby. Football being a ‘man’s game’ is such sterotypical tripe, born out of justifying thugs getting to spend time on the pitch with proper footballers.

Just my opinion, of course, but that’s why my favourite ever player is Xavi and not Shawcross.

I don’t mind leniency towards a small pull of the shirt etc go, which is what I want as over the last few years you see too many people looking for free kicks. But nasty challenges are horrible and have no place in football, they will always happen unfortunately, maybe a stricter ban needs to be done for them kind of challenges. I don’t think we see bad tackles being let go though? So I don’t think we’ve become lenient to that. Unless I’m wrong.

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Tbh i love a good tackle and football is a contact sport and i like the physical side of the game but that doesnt mean i want over the top tackles and players getting ruffed up to scare them.

There has to be a balance but like @Rob said its artistry in how the game is played these days and that needs to be allowed to flourish.

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I quite like that Elliott kid. He's got so much potential. As long as the media don't over-hype him he'll be a big player in the future. I hope he makes a full recovery and sets the league alight for years to come.

I have also gained massive respect for him coming out and admitting that it wasn't a nasty challenge but rather a freak accident. He could of easily jumped on the bandwagon and slated the challenge but it shows real signs of maturity to tell the truth. IMO it was never a red card. The card was given for the severity of the injury & not the actual challenge, which is ridiculous. 

I'm delighted that referees aren't penalising every challenge. I think this has been misinterpreted as they're going to let hard tackles go. It seems to be more shoulder to shoulders and players just falling over when breathed on that they're allowing play to carry on (apart from Grealish. Brilliant player but the amount of times he falls over a blade of grass & gets a free kick is absurd) which I'm all for. I like the current rules. Anything wreckless or if you're not in control when attempting a tackle should be dealt with to the letter of the laws but not every hard tackle should be penalised. That's what got me into football. I loved the R9's, Peter Beardsley's an so on but I really enjoyed David Batty and even Roy Keane controlling games with their physicality. Those sorts of players don't exist anymore because players are over-protected. I don't want to see injury after injury because of stupid tackles in games but without any physicality, which is the way things are going, football will be boring. For me anyway.

There will always be players that step over the line and they should be punished but punishing players for making hard but fair tackles will force it out of the game altogether. 

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22 hours ago, Dai_ said:

I quite like that Elliott kid. He's got so much potential. As long as the media don't over-hype him he'll be a big player in the future. I hope he makes a full recovery and sets the league alight for years to come.

I have also gained massive respect for him coming out and admitting that it wasn't a nasty challenge but rather a freak accident. He could of easily jumped on the bandwagon and slated the challenge but it shows real signs of maturity to tell the truth. IMO it was never a red card. The card was given for the severity of the injury & not the actual challenge, which is ridiculous. 

I'm delighted that referees aren't penalising every challenge. I think this has been misinterpreted as they're going to let hard tackles go. It seems to be more shoulder to shoulders and players just falling over when breathed on that they're allowing play to carry on (apart from Grealish. Brilliant player but the amount of times he falls over a blade of grass & gets a free kick is absurd) which I'm all for. I like the current rules. Anything wreckless or if you're not in control when attempting a tackle should be dealt with to the letter of the laws but not every hard tackle should be penalised. That's what got me into football. I loved the R9's, Peter Beardsley's an so on but I really enjoyed David Batty and even Roy Keane controlling games with their physicality. Those sorts of players don't exist anymore because players are over-protected. I don't want to see injury after injury because of stupid tackles in games but without any physicality, which is the way things are going, football will be boring. For me anyway.

There will always be players that step over the line and they should be punished but punishing players for making hard but fair tackles will force it out of the game altogether. 

Fundamentally disagree with this. Hard by fair tackles are just a way of masking a lack of talent where it counts. 

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6 minutes ago, Rob said:

Fundamentally disagree with this. Hard by fair tackles are just a way of masking a lack of talent where it counts. 

Not everyone will agree with me. That's cool. The Internet is full of varying opinions. 

Are you telling me that players like Stam, Vidic, Keane, Vieira, players that enjoyed a hard challenge (not always fair, I'll admit) lacked talent where it counted?

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