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4 minutes ago, AdamNufc said:

It's the PIF which is a sovereign wealth fund of Saudi Arabia buy the Saudi rulers have said they will have no involvement of the club.

The human rights allegations don't look good but what I ask is, if Villa had this happen to them, how strongly would you feel? Would you boycott games? 

I won't lie, it's difficult to say how far I would oppose it for my club, unless we were in that situation. 

Thats fair then I suppose all I had seen is that its the PIF, which was essentially the country, rather than a select few rich guys. 

As I said, happy for the toon fans that they finally get their takeover, that you guys have wanted for years now, so don't take it as something it's not. 

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Can't help but be happy for the long-suffering fans, even if it creates another obstacle to the Superbees' rise to world domination.

Definitely intrigued to see what they do in January though. Gotta play their cards right. They're definitely "in the mix" as one of the worst 3 teams in the division and if they invest poorly or cautiously, could still see them going down! 

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37 minutes ago, Woody said:

Sorry James but Man City's owners are from the same family and no one bats an eye lid.

 

 

Wow, I've obviously had my head in the sand for the last decade.

Can you share that info as I had no Idea (link)

Separate countries and philosophys and what seems like a hatred to each other. 

 

Or is this one of those 'i'm related to you' type situations if you trace the family tree back far enough. 

 

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1 hour ago, billy2shots said:

 

 

Wow, I've obviously had my head in the sand for the last decade.

Can you share that info as I had no Idea (link)

Separate countries and philosophys and what seems like a hatred to each other. 

 

Or is this one of those 'i'm related to you' type situations if you trace the family tree back far enough. 

 

Ha ha it was noted when the deal was 1st mentioned 4 years ago. Thats all i know.

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8 minutes ago, Woody said:

Ha ha it was noted when the deal was 1st mentioned 4 years ago. Thats all i know.

To be fair @billy2shots i've searched and cant find anything so im probably way off and im man enough to say when im wrong. 👍

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Stuff like this is all I could find 

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But I've seen no mention of him this time around so I have no idea 😂. I've not followed it closely at all but reports like that would explain the confusion. 

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Pleased for the Toon fans, as I like the club. Always strikes me as a proper football City (and I’m sure all the Toon fans on here are Newcastle born and bred), but the general twatness of owners of football clubs (not just the Barcodes) irritates me.

Always has, always will, and it’s at all levels of football at varying degrees of wealth. Larger clubs have rich Sheikhs; lower league clubs have local ‘legends’ who own a string of nightclubs and happened to buy in to a football club to service their ego.

The more fan owned clubs, particularly by Supporters Trusts, the better. But sadly football represents a spring with no elasticity - it’s broken forever.

But I’m sure all the half-naked belly slapping Toon fans are dancing in the streets tonight.

At least it’s makes the league a bit more interesting.

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7 minutes ago, Rob said:

Pleased for the Toon fans, as I like the club. Always strikes me as a proper football City (and I’m sure all the Toon fans on here are Newcastle born and bred), but the general twatness of owners of football clubs (not just the Barcodes) irritates me.

Always has, always will, and it’s at all levels of football at varying degrees of wealth. Larger clubs have rich Sheikhs; lower league clubs have local ‘legends’ who own a string of nightclubs and happened to buy in to a football club to service their ego.

The more fan owned clubs, particularly by Supporters Trusts, the better. But sadly football represents a spring with no elasticity - it’s broken forever.

But I’m sure all the half-naked belly slapping Toon fans are dancing in the streets tonight.

At least it’s makes the league a bit more interesting.

Agree and i've slapped my belly thoroughly tonight 😂

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23 minutes ago, Rob said:

Pleased for the Toon fans, as I like the club. Always strikes me as a proper football City (and I’m sure all the Toon fans on here are Newcastle born and bred), but the general twatness of owners of football clubs (not just the Barcodes) irritates me.

Always has, always will, and it’s at all levels of football at varying degrees of wealth. Larger clubs have rich Sheikhs; lower league clubs have local ‘legends’ who own a string of nightclubs and happened to buy in to a football club to service their ego.

The more fan owned clubs, particularly by Supporters Trusts, the better. But sadly football represents a spring with no elasticity - it’s broken forever.

But I’m sure all the half-naked belly slapping Toon fans are dancing in the streets tonight.

At least it’s makes the league a bit more interesting.

Newcastle born and bread mate #HowayTheLads

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53 minutes ago, Rich said:

Newcastle born and bread mate #HowayTheLads

I was born in Stoke but grandad was born it Gateshead. His family moved down here because my great grandad was a miner and my grandad was stationed here during ww2 which is when he met my nan.

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This takeover is just another move in a long line of incidents making me fall out of love with the game. Abramovich must love this, he's plummeting down the list of most evil football owners.

Are city and chelsea not raked over the coals for their awful owners when people in England talk about the clubs? That strikes me as odd given how often it comes up in other countries and on larger international discussions. 

 

But yes, eventually normal people won't have the energy to object to them every time, and that's why sportswashing works. 

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1 hour ago, hhooo said:

This takeover is just another move in a long line of incidents making me fall out of love with the game. Abramovich must love this, he's plummeting down the list of most evil football owners.

Are city and chelsea not raked over the coals for their awful owners when people in England talk about the clubs? That strikes me as odd given how often it comes up in other countries and on larger international discussions. 

 

But yes, eventually normal people won't have the energy to object to them every time, and that's why sportswashing works. 

Hate it until Spurs gets a take over too :P 

Jk, I don’t mind seeing clubs like Newcastle getting new owner. They deserve some success. We’d see if they are really good at managing a club like Mansour and Abramovic did. I’d be grateful to not have owners like Glazers that doesn’t care about the club honestly.

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2 minutes ago, Rich said:

Honestly I’m still so excited.

Me too. Its honestly not about the prospect of signing superstars. We're a long way off that. Plus we need to stay up first.

It's the fact that a cancer has been cut out of the club. The way we're viewed by other fans now doesn't bother me either. It's not like we had or have a choice who our owners are. Its not our fault that they have SO MUCH wealth.

I think more people, outside of our own fans like our club than dislike us. I've seen so many say how happy they are for us. It'll likely change to hatred if we do start challenging for things. But, oh well. 🤣

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29 minutes ago, Dai_ said:

Me too. Its honestly not about the prospect of signing superstars. We're a long way off that. Plus we need to stay up first.

It's the fact that a cancer has been cut out of the club. The way we're viewed by other fans now doesn't bother me either. It's not like we had or have a choice who our owners are. Its not our fault that they have SO MUCH wealth.

I think more people, outside of our own fans like our club than dislike us. I've seen so many say how happy they are for us. It'll likely change to hatred if we do start challenging for things. But, oh well. 🤣

Totally agree with all that, I’m genuinely most excited about the fact that we will get a new manager now. I see Steven Gerrard is favourite with the bookies, I’m not apposed to anyone to be honest, he’s done great at Rangers, players will want to play for him as well.

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25 minutes ago, Rich said:

Totally agree with all that, I’m genuinely most excited about the fact that we will get a new manager now. I see Steven Gerrard is favourite with the bookies, I’m not apposed to anyone to be honest, he’s done great at Rangers, players will want to play for him as well.

With the greatest respect. Scotland is a pub League. A genuine pub league. Going invincible through a league season, especially last season during a pandemic with condensed fixtures is admirable. BUT, I don't want him. The Premiership is a different universe compared to Scotland. I know a lot of managers have come from Scotland and had success (the greatest ever in Sir Alex. As much as I hate them, I can admit that), these are different times. I'd be disappointed if we got Stevie G.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Howe. For now anyway. It seems like he's held out for this job. Give it to him and see what he can do. The one thing I know is, he'll try playing attacking football. I know Bournemouth were relegated under his management but I feel we are better equipped than they ever were. Just my opinion.

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5 minutes ago, Dai_ said:

With the greatest respect. Scotland is a pub League. A genuine pub league. Going invincible through a league season, especially last season during a pandemic with condensed fixtures is admirable. BUT, I don't want him. The Premiership is a different universe compared to Scotland. I know a lot of managers have come from Scotland and had success (the greatest ever in Sir Alex. As much as I hate them, I can admit that), these are different times. I'd be disappointed if we got Stevie G.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Howe. For now anyway. It seems like he's held out for this job. Give it to him and see what he can do. The one thing I know is, he'll try playing attacking football. I know Bournemouth were relegated under his management but I feel we are better equipped than they ever were. Just my opinion.

Gerrard looks like a very good manager. Maybe he’d be a very good investment? Man City took 4 years before winning their first league title so maybe we can see whether Gerrard is worth the money.

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8 minutes ago, Dai_ said:

With the greatest respect. Scotland is a pub League. A genuine pub league. Going invincible through a league season, especially last season during a pandemic with condensed fixtures is admirable. BUT, I don't want him. The Premiership is a different universe compared to Scotland. I know a lot of managers have come from Scotland and had success (the greatest ever in Sir Alex. As much as I hate them, I can admit that), these are different times. I'd be disappointed if we got Stevie G.

I wouldn't mind Eddie Howe. For now anyway. It seems like he's held out for this job. Give it to him and see what he can do. The one thing I know is, he'll try playing attacking football. I know Bournemouth were relegated under his management but I feel we are better equipped than they ever were. Just my opinion.

I think Gerrard has done a great job at Rangers and he commands massive respect in the game on top of that, players will want to come in and play for him. It would give way more of a boost to the players than bringing in Eddie Howe I think personally. Like you said yourself some of the best managers have come across from Scotland. So I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t want him. 
 

I honestly wouldn’t be happy if we brought in Howe and I don’t know if we’d stay up. 
 

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See Gerrard is the favourite at 4/1 followed by Conte at 5/1.

I really do hope it's Conte but don't know if he would take the job this early in the project. He's passionate and success follows him everywhere.

Gerrard I understand young upcoming manager to front a long term project, fits in with the new owners slowly but surely motto but can he cut it out in the Prem?

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The only reason they’d take Eddie Howe is if they were massive Fred Dinenage fans and just wanted to say ‘that’s Howe, for now’

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14 minutes ago, AdamNufc said:

See Gerrard is the favourite at 4/1 followed by Conte at 5/1.

I really do hope it's Conte but don't know if he would take the job this early in the project. He's passionate and success follows him everywhere.

Gerrard I understand young upcoming manager to front a long term project, fits in with the new owners slowly but surely motto but can he cut it out in the Prem?

Hate the word ‘project’ in this instance. It’s not a project - it’s the world’s wealthiest playing with their new toy. 

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26 minutes ago, Rob said:

The only reason they’d take Eddie Howe is if they were massive Fred Dinenage fans and just wanted to say ‘that’s Howe, for now’

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Hate the word ‘project’ in this instance. It’s not a project - it’s the world’s wealthiest playing with their new toy. 

I don't exactly see it as that, they've said they won't be pumping ridiculous sums into the club

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3 hours ago, broodje kip said:

Hate it until Spurs gets a take over too :P 

Jk, I don’t mind seeing clubs like Newcastle getting new owner. They deserve some success. We’d see if they are really good at managing a club like Mansour and Abramovic did. I’d be grateful to not have owners like Glazers that doesn’t care about the club honestly.

No, I would totally give up on English football if Spurs were bought by Bezos, the Waltons, or some despicable billionaire despot. I've been researching Joe Lewis more as a result of this, and he's got some not technically legal vacation zone for the IDF set up in Patagonia that is fairly weird, but he also doesn't use his money to help Spurs spend beyond their means (or in any other way). 

 

Framing this as though the Saudi royal family 'cares about' Newcastle is really strange as well. They care about their own reputation and revenue streams once oil money starts to dry up, as they are well aware that tourism is likely what they will need to rely on in the future. Newcastle is being used a vehicle to improve that reputation over the coming decades. 

 

I get it that Mike Ashley is a fat sack of shit who needed to go, and I know many are celebrating on this basis. But you really couldn't have chosen a more evil replacement (and I know 99.9% of Geordie's wouldn't have chosen them had they the choice). Also, if you're going to choose an owner, it would have to be the Norwegian Wealth Fund, worth 1.4 trillion and significantly less moral baggage. 

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1 hour ago, AdamNufc said:

See Gerrard is the favourite at 4/1 followed by Conte at 5/1.

I really do hope it's Conte but don't know if he would take the job this early in the project. He's passionate and success follows him everywhere.

Gerrard I understand young upcoming manager to front a long term project, fits in with the new owners slowly but surely motto but can he cut it out in the Prem?

Id be happy with Gerrard. I think Conte is thinking way above out station right now.

There are a ton of quality freebies out there that we can still sign.

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If you take a step back and think about it, Ashley took a yoyo club, consolidated them as a Premier League club without wrecking their structure, and has sold them on to the richest owners in the world. I do wonder if the narrative about him may be slightly re-written in time.

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I'm really happy for Newcastle fans, had at least 8 years of shit. Now this will knock City and United off their pearch. Newcastle need now to bin Bruce off and get a proper manager in, its proven with Bruce he buys complete shite, yes your the richest club in the world now but you now need to buy sensibly. All the best to you and your fans 

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32 minutes ago, Rob said:

If you take a step back and think about it, Ashley took a yoyo club, consolidated them as a Premier League club without wrecking their structure, and has sold them on to the richest owners in the world. I do wonder if the narrative about him may be slightly re-written in time.

We weren’t yoyo team before, we hadn't been relegated I believe for 13 years before he came in and then we got relegated twice with him in 14 years. lm glad he’s out of our club tbh. I’m glad he’s sold up and fought for it though.

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1 hour ago, Rich said:

We weren’t yoyo team before, we hadn't been relegated I believe for 13 years before he came in and then we got relegated twice with him in 14 years. lm glad he’s out of our club tbh. I’m glad he’s sold up and fought for it though.

I was just go to say this.

Newcastle weren't a yoyo club at all. Not since the early 90s. We'd been in the Premier league since the second season of its existence.

We were constantly pushing for Europe under Keegan and Sir John Hall, then we flirted with it under Shepard.

There's a really good article on the Athletic about the time before Ashley and then what he's done during his 14 years owning Newcastle.

We became essentially a yoyo club under Ashley.

Yes when he took us over, we would have had a massive problem, spending money on crap we couldn't afford. We may have ended up a lot worse off.

But he still didn't do anything worthy of note, other than put a semi decent ideology of not buying in installments.

 

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Trying having a chairman who sells your land to property developers that effectively means your club is land-locked and beholden to others, then you may realise that Ashley isn’t the worst person to ever grace planet Earth. Compared to lower league football the guy is a saint living in a world of bandits.

The mass over-criticism of him, especially when he’s handed the Toon to riches that Captain Jack Sparrow would yearn for, is unjust and deserves to be re-written, even to the point that I hope a lot of the naysayers pen the guy a letter of apology.

The majority of Barcodes should all raise a giant Sports Direct mug and toast the guy.

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3 minutes ago, Rob said:

Trying having a chairman who sells your land to property developers that effectively means your club is land-locked and beholden to others, then you may realise that Ashley isn’t the worst person to ever grace planet Earth. Compared to lower league football the guy is a saint living in a world of bandits.

The mass over-criticism of him, especially when he’s handed the Toon to riches that Captain Jack Sparrow would yearn for, is unjust and deserves to be re-written, even to the point that I hope a lot of the naysayers pen the guy a letter of apology.

The majority of Barcodes should all raise a giant Sports Direct mug and toast the guy.

He’s not the worst person to grace earth, you are. 
 

But seriously I don’t think any of us think he’s the worst person to grace the world just we have been fed up of him for so many years. We all get emotionally attached to the team we support which is why I don’t think any of us can judge supporters from other clubs as it’s there personal feeling. Anger and disappointment has built up over the years and it’s more relief that he’s gone and now excitement that we can have some ambition. 
 

I have no doubt you’re right about Lower league clubs and I’m sure that’s why you’re upset about that as you’re emotionally attached to that club. 

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