Tactics The Black Hawk

[madmuffer]

Hi @blackhawk

I was wondering if you used to play fm live? 

I used to play beta and used a tactic very similar back then. 

I have been playing a few years without wingers but have finally got back to them after reading your tactic.

Funny how you forget more than you know with these games over the years!

I have made a few tweaks to a version that I find scores more goals but I am still testing.

I will post some results after a few games with lower tier clubs.

Keep up the good work!

 

[wannguyen237]

Any advice vs stronger teams bro??

[Hannas]

Whilst probably not specific to this tactic, I am not enjoying the change where I dominate every game but need a minimum of 12-15 chances for my world class strikers to actually score, whilst the opposition score their first chance every. single. game 😂

I am getting A LOT of draws now. In fact over a 4 game period of draws (5-5 aggregate) I had 82 shots to 8.

[Vaile23]

This is actually disgusting… I changed my tactics to this for a very average Buxton side. We were drawing or losing the majority of our first 10 games. After changing, we went unbeaten for the remainder of the season.

Great find 👏

[mamig]

Taktik için güncelleme var mı?

[Rav44]

Used this tactic on last years game but I believe it is even better on this years game. I have tested most tactics out there and this is the best. I just love the way it controls games. Good work @Black Hawk

 

I will post screenshots from various tests here.

test 1: Man United. I know they are a strong team but the results in the league below are normally what you get after developing your team over a few seasons not in the first season. Dominated every games and defensively solid. Sign the right players and you cannot go wrong. Oshimen started off the season as my main striker but Hojland was to good when he got the chance that I could not drop him.

I should add I probably got about 10-15 from corners which helped.

My test I am currently doing is Leicester City and the tactic is performing on another level there. Will post that later.

[Big daddy]

I just started playing the game again recently after months of ignoring FM cause of school work 

I've been using Tottenham

Won the epl in my first season with one point above Manchester United (I know *shocker* ) bottled all other trophies including community shield against united the next season

I'm in mid season 2 and Liverpool have suddenly taken over the league from me leading with 1 point again this might be the formation that saves us

I'll probably update it here (if I have the time)

[obdz]

How do I know if a player "feels comfortable with the ball at their feet" or player "who only serve to destroy the opponent's game"?

[bcfclee27]

On 17/02/2024 at 14:48, Rav44 said:

Used this tactic on last years game but I believe it is even better on this years game. I have tested most tactics out there and this is the best. I just love the way it controls games. Good work @Black Hawk

 

I will post screenshots from various tests here.

test 1: Man United. I know they are a strong team but the results in the league below are normally what you get after developing your team over a few seasons not in the first season. Dominated every games and defensively solid. Sign the right players and you cannot go wrong. Oshimen started off the season as my main striker but Hojland was to good when he got the chance that I could not drop him.

I should add I probably got about 10-15 from corners which helped.

My test I am currently doing is Leicester City and the tactic is performing on another level there. Will post that later.

What’s your corners tactic mate ?

[Agamer6001]

On 24/01/2024 at 06:16, Hannas said:

Whilst probably not specific to this tactic, I am not enjoying the change where I dominate every game but need a minimum of 12-15 chances for my world class strikers to actually score, whilst the opposition score their first chance every. single. game 😂

I am getting A LOT of draws now. In fact over a 4 game period of draws (5-5 aggregate) I had 82 shots to 8.

yeah why is that? I built a world class side, we have 20 shots every game and score 1, maybe 2 goals. the opposition will score from 1 shot on target

[newspidy]

What the best corner tactic for this tactic??

 

[Mirag_91]

@Black Hawk ho , for me It Is the best tactic on fm 2024.

I would like to use black Hawk tactic but with three at back , in your opinion It Is possibile ?

[smlclskn]

This tactic doesnt work after march update

[mihhasd]

Yh tactic having trouble in the new update

[Kawsar_Ahmed]

Used to work before but now its causing problems, halaand used to score in every game but now he drops stinkers in every game

[Lalaykan]

Does this tactic still work on the current version?

[Black Hawk]

On 31/05/2024 at 01:56, Lalaykan said:

Does this tactic still work on the current version?

Honestly, I've been playing with it and it's working as before, I didnt noticed any drop on performance.

[DanEnglish]

On 26/05/2024 at 05:43, Kawsar_Ahmed said:

Used to work before but now its causing problems, halaand used to score in every game but now he drops stinkers in every game

 
That’s probably because of a different reason. 

Firstly - this Black Hawk tactic remains probably the most balanced plug-and-play tactic in recent FMMs. It mixes great offense with solid defence.

However in my opinion some people using this black hawk have one of these two misunderstandings:

• It is not a cheat code - so if you have a weak squad (like Luton), it isn’t going to overpower them to win every match.
• It is not all-out-attack - so if you have a dominant squad (like Man City), then other ‘all-out-attack’ tactics will score more goals.

So why is Haaland not performing? When your team is doing great, your ‘recent form’ is better, and the AI managers adapt in two different ways.

• Formation - AI managers each have 3 formations which they use (you can see this by using the editor) - as your form improves, they are more likely to switch to their ‘defensive formation’ (like a park the bus 343 DM)
• Mentality - AI managers will also use a more defensive mentality when facing a strong opposition in good form, which means their players take less risks + make less runs forward 
• Together - combined this means that after dominating the league in the first two months, by October or November the AI basically park the bus against you. This means you need to become more attacking to create more space / more chances.

So what? 

The problem is NOT the tactic. It works for most teams, in most leagues, in most situations. The tactic is still great.

The real problem is different - that you may need a more attacking tactic for such a dominant squad - to combat how the Ai is adapting to your dominance / past form. Edit - or at least customize your set pieces as Haaland should be scoring at least 1 goal every 2 games from corners, crosses free kicks and penalties

Thoughts? 🙂 

Edited June 24, 2024 by DanEnglish

[zenobii]

Can you please help? The players is good but always have low conversion and low shot on target, can you please help? 

[DanEnglish]

4 hours ago, zenobii said:

Can you please help? The players is good but always have low conversion and low shot on target, can you please help? 

You are in 2031. All your games seem to have a ‘3’ or ‘4’ difficulty rating, which suggests Real Betis are a lot weaker in your save (in 2031) than in real life now.

Firstly - well done for keeping the clubs history alive - ¡Viva el Betis manque (aunque) pierda! ("Long live Betis even though they lose!")

Secondly - why not start a new forum thread, asking for help, sharing screenshots of your key players and tactic. Then people can give more specific advise to you.

8 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

It is not a cheat code - so if you have a weak squad (like Luton), it isn’t going to overpower them to win every match.

I guess this ⬆️ is your problem (weak squad)

[zenobii]

11 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

You are in 2031. All your games seem to have a ‘3’ or ‘4’ difficulty rating, which suggests Real Betis are a lot weaker in your save (in 2031) than in real life now.

Firstly - well done for keeping the clubs history alive - ¡Viva el Betis manque (aunque) pierda! ("Long live Betis even though they lose!")

Secondly - why not start a new forum thread, asking for help, sharing screenshots of your key players and tactic. Then people can give more specific advise to you.

I guess this ⬆️ is your problem (weak squad)

Can you please help? Thank you so much bro

[DanEnglish]

22 minutes ago, zenobii said:

Can you please help? Thank you so much bro

Here’s is your problem.

Recap - you said “have low conversion and low shot on target” - and you are using this black hawk tactic - yeah?

Problem #1 - your main striker Hyjek is apparently your 4th best player (according to your coach stars). He is a good player BUT he is not yet a regular goal-scorer.

• Won’t score many headers - only 12 aerial + 15 strength, similar to many opposition DCs.
• Isn’t clinical with his shots - only 14 shooting + 15 decisions.
• Isn’t a good dribbler - only 11 dribbling.
• Isn't making good runs - only 10 movement  
• 🔥 however is a very good presser 🔥 15-17 for positioning, teamwork, pace + stamina.

Thats a guy whose overall good, but not clinical (yet).

Problem #2 - it seems you have a squad of young high-potential wonderkids. This means they’ll be great in the future, BUT your squad are not great NOW. Are you willing to be patient for a few (1 to 2) seasons until they become works-beaters?

In summary - your problems (now) are not really about the tactic, and more about your ‘squad building’. Patience 😉 

Edited June 25, 2024 by DanEnglish

[zenobii]

41 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Here’s is your problem.

Recap - you said “have low conversion and low shot on target” - and you are using this black hawk tactic - yeah?

Problem #1 - your main striker Hyjek is apparently your 4th best player (according to your coach stars). He is a good player BUT he is not yet a regular goal-scorer.

• Won’t score many headers - only 12 aerial + 15 strength, similar to many opposition DCs.
• Isn’t clinical with his shots - only 14 shooting + 15 decisions.
• Isn’t a good dribbler - only 11 dribbling.
• Isn't making good runs - only 10 movement  
• 🔥 however is a very good presser 🔥 15-17 for positioning, teamwork, pace + stamina.

Thats a guy whose overall good, but not clinical (yet).

Problem #2 - it seems you have a squad of young high-potential wonderkids. This means they’ll be great in the future, BUT your squad are not great NOW. Are you willing to be patient for a few (1 to 2) seasons until they become works-beaters?

In summary - your problems (now) are not really about the tactic, and more about your ‘squad building’. Patience 😉 

Thanks a lot man, i will wait until real betis win a continental trophy or the league, sending love from Indonesia 🔥💯

[julystork]

Because this tactic uses DMC, I get many goalless draws i.e. hardly conceding, but almost not scoring either; and this is with a Barca team with Lewa, Felix, Raphinha, & Ferran Torres.

I find as recent as since 2023 you really need someone in CAM (like AP or SS) position in order to have more than zero goals

[DanEnglish]

2 minutes ago, julystork said:

Because this tactic uses DMC, I get many goalless draws i.e. hardly conceding, but almost not scoring either; and this is with a Barca team with Lewa, Felix, Raphinha, & Ferran Torres.

I find as recent as since 2023 you really need someone in CAM (like AP or SS) position in order to have more than zero goals

If you are using a dominant team (like a top 2 club in any league) then yes I agree - sp that’s why I created + use an ‘attacking 4213’ which is like a more attacking version of this black hawk tactic

[Odico]

This tactics still does wonders 

[captaintsubasa]

This tactic of yours is very popular, so I will try to move forward with a bad team. Let's see what happens, I hope I will be successful. Also, did you go on vacation while using this tactic?

[DanEnglish]

3 hours ago, captaintsubasa said:

This tactic of yours is very popular, so I will try to move forward with a bad team. Let's see what happens, I hope I will be successful. Also, did you go on vacation while using this tactic?

Two things. Firstly, I recommend you DONT holiday / don’t go on vacation in-game, as your AI assistant manager doesn’t seem to use your tactic / roles / instructions - there’s some debate about what happens, but I think there’s a general agreement that performances are worse when on holiday vs better when you play it yourself. 

Secondly the black hawk is fine with bad teams. As it’s a well-balanced tactic which brings out the best of your players. BUT it is NOT a cheat code - with rubbish players you’re very unlikely to win the league. With ok-good players (vs your opposition clubs in your league) you’ll get good results. 

Edited July 18, 2024 by DanEnglish

[captaintsubasa]

4 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

İki şey. İlk olarak, oyun içinde tatile çıkmamanızı /tatile çıkmamanızı öneririm , çünkü yapay zeka yardımcı yöneticiniz sizin taktiklerinizi/rollerinizi/talimatlarınızı kullanmıyor gibi görünüyor - ne olacağı konusunda bazı tartışmalar var, ancak tatildeyken performansın daha kötü, oyunu kendiniz oynadığınızda ise daha iyi olduğu konusunda genel bir fikir birliği olduğunu düşünüyorum. 

İkinci olarak, kara şahin kötü takımlarla iyi geçinir. Oyuncularınızın en iyisini ortaya çıkaran iyi dengelenmiş bir taktiktir. AMA bu bir hile kodu DEĞİLDİR - berbat oyuncularla ligi kazanmanız çok olası değildir. İyi oyuncularla (liginizdeki rakip kulüplere karşı) iyi sonuçlar alırsınız. 

My friend, I love you very much, you are a very helpful person, but I cannot enjoy playing in big clubs, I want to raise a small team and I have financial difficulties. If you choose these countries, is there a country where you think you can find good players cheaply?

[captaintsubasa]

Small clubs are in financial difficulties. If I convince the player, I cannot pay his salary. What should I do? Do you have a balanced tactical suggestion for me? Except for blackhawk, at least until I get promoted to the upper leagues. @Danİngilizce