Tactics Welcome to Wrexham (442) (92 games 0 defeats in the league)

[DutchTony]

38 minutes ago, Mason20000 said:

Can you share this corner tactic pls? Never scored with a corner yet 😂

It used to be all players back except for 1 player with best aerial who would mark the keeper. Aim the ball for the penalty spot.

Sadly, and I do mean sadly, the corner tactic doesn't work anymore after the last update though 😞

[Mike16]

1 hour ago, DutchTony said:

It used to be all players back except for 1 player with best aerial who would mark the keeper. Aim the ball for the penalty spot.

Sadly, and I do mean sadly, the corner tactic doesn't work anymore after the last update though 😞

Does the tactic still work?

[Mike16]

On 14/12/2022 at 13:42, MarkD said:

Good call @TehSpaceGiraffe

tweaked version with offside trap turned OFF, works well, slightly disappointed with the amount of goals conceded but that will get better with better players 

Did u play down the flanks?

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On 14/12/2022 at 13:42, MarkD said:

Good call @TehSpaceGiraffe

tweaked version with offside trap turned OFF, works well, slightly disappointed with the amount of goals conceded but that will get better with better players 

Did u play down the flanks?

[Mason20000]

4 hours ago, DutchTony said:

It used to be all players back except for 1 player with best aerial who would mark the keeper. Aim the ball for the penalty spot.

Sadly, and I do mean sadly, the corner tactic doesn't work anymore after the last update though 😞

Ffs 😂.. oh well

[Spencer08]

Its a shame that the tweaked version doesnt work but just in case anyone still interested, the original tactic still work pretty well if you looking for a comfortable 2/3 goal win.

[MarkD]

4 hours ago, Spencer08 said:

Its a shame that the tweaked version doesnt work but just in case anyone still interested, the original tactic still work pretty well if you looking for a comfortable 2/3 goal win.

Does it? 🤣 I had totally given up on it 🤣

[Spencer08]

59 minutes ago, MarkD said:

Does it? 🤣 I had totally given up on it 🤣

Its funny because the original tactic doesnt work for me before the update.

[MarkD]

4 hours ago, Spencer08 said:

Its funny because the original tactic doesnt work for me before the update.

Bloody game and it's updates lol 🙄

[DanEnglish]

@MarkD, @DutchTony and all … I’d appreciate your advice + experience with this 442 tactic 🙂 

Why? Am starting to test this tactic as part of my ‘testing tactics’ thread and have found something … unexpected

Firstly - has anyone noticed how these MR/L Wingers drift inside like an AP / IF when in possession … ?!

• The Wingers don’t stay wide. Instead these Wingers drift inside - into an AM/FRC or AM/FLC positions - similar to a wide AP or IF on previous FMM versions.

Spoiler

I’m playing with right-footed Sancho on the right wing and left-footed Antony on the left wing.

Game 1:
You’ll notice how narrow they often move in, ahead of the MCs + just behind the AFs.

Game 2:
It’s a consistent theme for +80% of attacks. 

 

 
Secondly, who would you recommend as Rashford’s strike partner upfront? (Note it must be someone already at the club!)

• Aerial - Weghorst?
• Pace - Garnacho?
• All-rounder - Martial?!

Would appreciate your advice + experience!

Spoiler

Note - I’m first testing the @MarkD original, then secondly with @DutchTony’s tweaks, then lastly the ‘welcome to Wrexham 2.0’

🙂 PS. This is all on the latest version with the winter data update!

Edited March 6, 2023 by DanEnglish

[till malkovich]

42 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

@МаркД,@DutchTony и все… Буду признателен за совет + опыт работы с этой тактикой 442 🙂 

Почему? Я начинаю тестировать эту тактику в рамках моей ветки «тактики тестирования» и обнаружил кое-что… неожиданное.

Во-первых, кто-нибудь замечал, как эти MR/L Wingers дрейфуют внутри , как AP/IF, когда владеют мячом…?!

• «Вингерс» не остаются в стороне. Вместо этого эти вингеры дрейфуют внутрь - в позиции AM / FRC или AM / FLC - аналогично широкому AP или IF в предыдущих версиях FMM.

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Я играю с правоногим Санчо на правом фланге и левоногим Антонием на левом фланге.

Игра 1:
Вы заметите, как узко они часто двигаются впереди MC + сразу за AF.

Игра 2:
это постоянная тема для +80% атак. 

 

 
Во-вторых, кого бы вы порекомендовали в качестве напарника Рэшфорда? (Обратите внимание, что это должен быть кто-то уже в клубе!)

• Антенна - Вегорст?
• Пейс - Гарначо?
• Универсал - Боевой?!

Буду признателен за совет + опыт!

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Примечание. Сначала я тестирую@МаркД оригинал, затем во-вторых с@DutchTonyнастройки, а затем, наконец, «Добро пожаловать в Рексхэм 2.0»

🙂  ПС. Это все в последней версии с зимним обновлением данных!

When asked why the WINGERS are shifting inward (to the semi-flank), I assume it is because of the Striker (AF) roles. They're the ones that draw the edge midfielders into the opponent's penalty area, and the deep central midfielders (CM+DLP) also contribute to that, as well as the role link (FB+W) with the "Look for Overlap" function that makes the flank free for the fullbacks. When I was testing this tactic I noticed that the position (AF) is better suited for players with parameters such as: high stature (Aerial) and Strength, because the style of passing (Direct) requires the attackers to fight a lot and get hold of straight balls - that's why the WINGERS are moved inside to combine and get the ball from the AF. My opinion may be wrong and others may be very different.

[DutchTony]

1 hour ago, DanEnglish said:

@MarkD, @DutchTony and all … I’d appreciate your advice + experience with this 442 tactic 🙂 

Why? Am starting to test this tactic as part of my ‘testing tactics’ thread and have found something … unexpected

Firstly - has anyone noticed how these MR/L Wingers drift inside like an AP / IF when in possession … ?!

• The Wingers don’t stay wide. Instead these Wingers drift inside - into an AM/FRC or AM/FLC positions - similar to a wide AP or IF on previous FMM versions.

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I’m playing with right-footed Sancho on the right wing and left-footed Antony on the left wing.

Game 1:
You’ll notice how narrow they often move in, ahead of the MCs + just behind the AFs.

Game 2:
It’s a consistent theme for +80% of attacks. 

 

 
Secondly, who would you recommend as Rashford’s strike partner upfront? (Note it must be someone already at the club!)

• Aerial - Weghorst?
• Pace - Garnacho?
• All-rounder - Martial?!

Would appreciate your advice + experience!

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Note - I’m first testing the @MarkD original, then secondly with @DutchTony’s tweaks, then lastly the ‘welcome to Wrexham 2.0’

🙂 PS. This is all on the latest version with the winter data update!

I used this tactic with great success before the first update. Tried it again recently and it wasn't as strong as before in my opinion. Maybe you'll get it back working as well as it did before the updates...

[DanEnglish]

@till malkovich - that makes a lot of sense 👍

I’m not sure how important the AF’s aerial + strength are though. Most of the passing is direct to feet (not long to heads).

Here’s some example Gifs that show the Wingers drifting inwards AND the direct passing into feet.

Spoiler

Passing down the center = both Wingers drift inside.

 

Passing down the flanks = one winger already positioned inside, the other drifts inside as the FB overlaps. 

Thoughts? 🙂 

Edited March 6, 2023 by DanEnglish

[till malkovich]

2 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

@тилл малкович - это имеет большой смысл 👍

Я не уверен, насколько важны антенна + мощность автофокуса. Большая часть передачи идет прямо в ноги (не долго в голову).

Вот несколько примеров Gif, которые показывают дрейф вингеров внутрь И прямую передачу в ноги.

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Прохождение по центру = оба вингера дрейфуют внутрь.

 

Прохождение по флангам = один вингер уже находится внутри, другой дрейфует внутрь, когда FB перекрываются. 

Мысли? 🙂 

What if the Wingers switch places, wouldn't it be even more convenient for them to give direct through passes (imagine that the Left Winger is right-footed and gives a direct through pass to one of the AFs), as for what attributes are required for the AFs, it seems to have become obvious from what we see in the gifs. Too bad you don't have a left-footed striker as a right AF, then theoretically he and his partner should overlap, which confuses the opponent even more and gives options for the attack.

Edited March 6, 2023 by till malkovich

[oskarsson81]

First, sorry for my english.

Following what I see in last 2 months trying lots of tactics, in FM23 wingers try to move inwards anyway e with every final third instruction and role for other players. 

About the welcom to wrexham 1.0 tactic, after the update it came back to be more effective in low categories. I try also to test it in Serie A with Complete Forwards instead of AF and IW instead of Wingers. So far so good until now (the forwards scores more and the tactic seems more solid in away matches), but need to test for more than 10 games.

[till malkovich]

3 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

@till malkovich - that makes a lot of sense 👍

I’m not sure how important the AF’s aerial + strength are though. Most of the passing is direct to feet (not long to heads).

Here’s some example Gifs that show the Wingers drifting inwards AND the direct passing into feet.

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Passing down the center = both Wingers drift inside.

 

Passing down the flanks = one winger already positioned inside, the other drifts inside as the FB overlaps. 

Thoughts? 🙂 

What if you put Sabitzer on the flank instead of Sancho, and send Sancho to pair with Marcus. If necessary, you can try Bruno on the wing, and put Eriksen in his place. If the Wingers still shift to the center, then maybe creative players like Bruno or Eriksen could be even more useful on the wing, oddly enough as a Winger ( False Winger turns out🤔) 

[till malkovich]

3 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

@till malkovich - that makes a lot of sense 👍

I’m not sure how important the AF’s aerial + strength are though. Most of the passing is direct to feet (not long to heads).

Here’s some example Gifs that show the Wingers drifting inwards AND the direct passing into feet.

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Passing down the center = both Wingers drift inside.

 

Passing down the flanks = one winger already positioned inside, the other drifts inside as the FB overlaps. 

Thoughts? 🙂 

I was surprised in this tactic that how to cope with a pair of midfielders against three in a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 in theory we should be crushed by the numerical superiority, but this tactic has remained very reliable against any formation, now I'm starting to guess what it is - this is because it turns out they helped wingers in the center form a quad (square), on paper it looks 4-4-2, but in fact it is 4-2-2-2. And the opponent sets up and anticipates to meet the 4-4-2 and crush it, but in fact comes out against a hybrid tactic of Ralf Rangnick and Jesse Marsch 😂.

[MarkD]

6 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

@MarkD, @DutchTony and all … I’d appreciate your advice + experience with this 442 tactic 🙂 

Why? Am starting to test this tactic as part of my ‘testing tactics’ thread and have found something … unexpected

Firstly - has anyone noticed how these MR/L Wingers drift inside like an AP / IF when in possession … ?!

• The Wingers don’t stay wide. Instead these Wingers drift inside - into an AM/FRC or AM/FLC positions - similar to a wide AP or IF on previous FMM versions.

  Reveal hidden contents

I’m playing with right-footed Sancho on the right wing and left-footed Antony on the left wing.

Game 1:
You’ll notice how narrow they often move in, ahead of the MCs + just behind the AFs.

Game 2:
It’s a consistent theme for +80% of attacks. 

 

 
Secondly, who would you recommend as Rashford’s strike partner upfront? (Note it must be someone already at the club!)

• Aerial - Weghorst?
• Pace - Garnacho?
• All-rounder - Martial?!

Would appreciate your advice + experience!

  Reveal hidden contents

Note - I’m first testing the @MarkD original, then secondly with @DutchTony’s tweaks, then lastly the ‘welcome to Wrexham 2.0’

🙂 PS. This is all on the latest version with the winter data update!

Funny thing with all of this is..... as I stated in the post, im not tactical genius like you guys, I dont watch games 🤣 I just chucked it together and got lucky with it

Edited March 6, 2023 by MarkD

[DanEnglish]

Have been testing this original tactic (without the @DutchTony tweaks) … here are some observations …

1. Wingers Drift Inside
See explanations in posts above - plus here’s an extra GIF showing why you need good crossing FBs + a good aerial STs …

 
2. Direct Passing Moves
This tactic produces some LOVELY passing moves - with the wingers drifting inside, they can combine beautifully with the AFs

3. Defensive Problem
I saw this problem often - mainly against the better opposition teams. We don’t have a DMC + we ask our WHOLE TEAM to press high.

This means if an opposition MC or ST moves into the space in-front of our DCs, one of our DCs steps forward to close them down, creating space behind for a through ball to their ST.

Example 1:
their ST drops deep to receive the ball.

Our DC steps forward to close down, creating space behind him!

Here’s a GIF of what happened next:

Example 2:
We are outnumbered in midfield - so our MLC / DLP trues to close down their DMC, and gets passed around … 

Their MC is now in space, so our DC moves forward to close then down - creating space behind them … 

… here’s another GIF of what happens next … 

 

An idea / solution - maybe in the big games, we can move the two MCs back to be DMCs?

Thoughts? 🙂 

[MarkD]

3 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Have been testing this original tactic (without the @DutchTony tweaks) … here are some observations …

1. Wingers Drift Inside
See explanations in posts above - plus here’s an extra GIF showing why you need good crossing FBs + a good aerial STs …

 
2. Direct Passing Moves
This tactic produces some LOVELY passing moves - with the wingers drifting inside, they can combine beautifully with the AFs

3. Defensive Problem
I saw this problem often - mainly against the better opposition teams. We don’t have a DMC + we ask our WHOLE TEAM to press high.

This means if an opposition MC or ST moves into the space in-front of our DCs, one of our DCs steps forward to close them down, creating space behind for a through ball to their ST.

Example 1:
their ST drops deep to receive the ball.

Our DC steps forward to close down, creating space behind him!

Here’s a GIF of what happened next:

Example 2:
We are outnumbered in midfield - so our MLC / DLP trues to close down their DMC, and gets passed around … 

Their MC is now in space, so our DC moves forward to close then down - creating space behind them … 

… here’s another GIF of what happens next … 

 

An idea / solution - maybe in the big games, we can move the two MCs back to be DMCs?

Thoughts? 🙂 

Great work @DanEnglish as always...

May sound stupid but would turning offside trap to off help? can remember someone suggesting it earlier in the thread after the first update ruined the tactic

[DanEnglish]

Have just written up my test of the original version of this tactic (without @DutchTony tweaks) … it’s available <here>

• Was surprised by how many wasted crosses there were. Better aerial STs would really help.
• Also surprised at receiving so many penalties! Perhaps because of the ‘central front four’?

[DanEnglish]

1 hour ago, MarkD said:

May sound stupid but would turning offside trap to off help? can remember someone suggesting it earlier in the thread after the first update ruined the tactic

Good question. I’m not sure.

We caught the other team offside an average of 3.5 times per game (and only conceded 0.7 goals per game) so it seems to be useful.

These were the high offside matches: 2 wins, 2 losses - inc. catching Southampton offside 13 times! Insights welcomed!

Spoiler

Arsenal: lost 3:1, caught them offside 7 times.

Southampton: won 3:1, caught them offside 13 times!

Man. City: won 2:0, caught them offside 7 times

Chelsea: lost 1:0, caught them offside 7 times.

 

[cvhhhgg]

On 21/11/2022 at 19:22, MarkD said:

Hello guys, hope you are all well.

Got a lovely little 442 to share with you all

Unbeaten in the league for 2 seasons in a row

It is NOT plug and play though but you also don't have to do alot of changes in game.....

1. Holding a lead at the end of a game (last 5 mins)... changed creative freedom to disciplined and put time wasting to yes.

2. If struggling to have any possession then put passing style to short.

3. When playing and struggling against a narrow formation, change passing focus to both flanks.

Anyway here is it...

 

 

 

season 1

 

Season 2

I've not tested it in a higher league so don't know how it will work higher up

Hope you have fun 👍

P.S i will probably be accused of saving and reloading etc etc, I know I havnt done that so please give it a try before giving me any negativity please 👍

Is it on clean state yes it doesn't matter but I just want your exact tactic

[MarkD]

1 hour ago, cvhhhgg said:

Is it on clean state yes it doesn't matter but I just want your exact tactic

Yes, but this is the wrong one to use now, it's not very successful since the updates, there is a post for a new updated version by @DutchTony

Edited April 5, 2023 by MarkD

[DutchTony]

Updated version

 

[DutchTony]

https://youtu.be/BD6rjaKTnP8

@MarkD

You're famous 😂

[MarkD]

2 hours ago, DutchTony said:

https://youtu.be/BD6rjaKTnP8

@MarkD

You're famous 😂

Was literally just about to show you 🤣 where is my mum? Gona tell her I've made it 🤣

Edited April 18, 2023 by MarkD

[Mack2009ss]

What match engine is it, is it enchanced 

[MarkD]

4 hours ago, Mack2009ss said:

What match engine is it, is it enchanced 

Yes mate, may not work as well as it did before the updates though

[DanEnglish]

@Mack2009ss - I did (fairly standardized) half-season tests all three versions of this tactic … the ‘updated + great again’ was definitely the best in the latest (enhanced) match engine …

• the original from @MarkD (this thread) still does well - with 2.0 points per game + 1.8 goals scored per game …
• … but the ‘updated + great again’ from @DutchTony (different thread) does even better - 2.4 points per game + a huge 2.5 goals scored / game.

[Resurgam]

1 hour ago, DanEnglish said:

@Mack2009ss - I did (fairly standardized) half-season tests all three versions of this tactic … the ‘updated + great again’ was definitely the best in the latest (enhanced) match engine …

• the original from @MarkD (this thread) still does well - with 2.0 points per game + 1.8 goals scored per game …
• … but the ‘updated + great again’ from @DutchTony (different thread) does even better - 2.4 points per game + a huge 2.5 goals scored / game.

Any chance you could test or look into this tactic? 

 

always worked well for me but doesn’t seem to work for others apparently 🤷🏽‍♂️