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Hi, guys, would appreciate any help from you. In general this tactic isn’t so bad, during my first season I won championship with 101 points. Then, after promotion, I finished 7 and lose in FA Cup final 2-1 to Chelsea. Next season I was on the 6 place, won EURO CUP II and Carabao. Conceded only 18 goals. But now I feel that with nice squad improvement results can be pretty much the same. The main problem is games with stronger opponents, sometimes I guess I get lucky and can win, but sometimes they just destroy me. The second main problem is scoring. Also the problem is inconsistency. I can have 10 wins in a row and the will be a slump for next 5 games, when I can lose o draw with weak opponents. Most common negatives from much report is “lack of goal threat from attacking midfielders”, “wingers struggled to make an impact” and “striker didn’t test opposition keeper enough”

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Just my opinion, I don't think that keeping your right winger as Inverted since you have that BBM kinda occupying that space. Try making it as an IF. 

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Have just played your tactic in a few games + here’s some thoughts...

Questions:

  • Aerial - How much better is your ST (CF) than the opposition DCs in the air? I.e. in the EPL, does he have +17 for both aerial + strength? If yes, keep the Wingers + WBs. If no, change their roles.
  • Set Pieces + Long Shots - do you score most (+50%) of your goals from set pieces + long shots? If yes, then you’re doing well against weaker teams because you’re dominating, but vs stronger teams you’ll struggle to get these opportunities to score.
  • Stars - who is your best creator / assistor (e.g. MC/AP?) And who is your best goal scorer (AMR/ IW or ST/CF)? As this affects how you can best tweak your tactic.  

Would be good to understand a little more from you...

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Quick Analysis

Using your tactic, I played a few games as Man Utd. Yes your tactic dominates weaker teams + yes I can see why you struggle vs the stronger teams.

Match - Our opponents are using a 4231, with a defensive mentality.

Spoiler

Their 4231

AE352DCD-1345-43A6-BACA-F4E0A3B37122.thumb.png.c2cc0b8bd87ef13b9c2ae2ab3168fe1f.png

Our 41221 (your tactic) 

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Key Issue #1: Lack short passing options from the back 

Against any opposition formation with an AMC, with our 41221, we already know:

  • Our DMC will be marked by their AMC, so we have one less passing option from the back (in yellow box).

633822D1-1FAC-4681-AC16-FEA3EE731EBA.thumb.jpeg.3a0cea4b510071dd2bbd23a13aa5c498.jpeg

Normally you’d have the full backs available (but they’re marked) OR the 2 MCs available (but they’re too high up the pitch) ...

... so who should our DC pass to (white arrows)?!

3946D000-33CE-4122-8DB3-FC7EEDE5387F.thumb.jpeg.90a4752786de5f6b3110fea4551a5766.jpeg

Answer: He passed it back to our GK. Not good. So we lack passing options from the back (vs an opposition AMC).


Key Issue #2: Our B2B + IW attack the same space.

  • As the opponents don’t have a DMC, instead one of their MCs will ‘tuck in’ to a DMC position in front of their back 4 when defending (black arrow), so our MC on that side will have more time + space than normal (white shaded area).

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However, as our AMR is an Inverted Winger, he’ll also cut inside (blue line below).

So our B2B midfielder has time + space, but can’t dribble forward nor play a through ball - Why? As there’s no gap between opposition DL + DC, because our AMR has drifted inwards.

37F7B8AA-2EA3-408E-B595-7A8A3F8AD7FC.thumb.jpeg.4972ad5b48fa2e3c600c6aae7c93ee74.jpeg

As a poster said above, your B2B + your IW are trying to take the same space. Not good.

8E3E92A1-CDF3-42ED-A0DC-3B1DD084991F.thumb.jpeg.83066f21db066ffd177d950266d84626.jpeg

 

Key Issue #3: No supply to the Winger, nor taking advantage of the space he’s created. 

In the screenshot above, you will notice our AP will drift centrally into the the AMC space when we’re attacking.

  • As the image below shows, this means there is no-one in our MLC position to supply the AML / Winger.
  • So our Winger hangs out wide, with no supply, pulling their DR wide - this means there is space inbetween their DR + DC (red shaded area below)! ...
  • But our MLC is an AP and drifts centrally, so cant take advantage of that space.

2933BE53-655A-47F9-B35F-176E7D3DFFB7.thumb.jpeg.b26901e9a43155e4853846bc972c4f65.jpeg 
 

Stats 

  • Our DMC was mostly marked out of our build up play (McTominay’s 10 passes)
  • Our AML / Winger barely got the ball (Rashford’s 3 passes) + our DL had the same issue (Shaw’s 7 passes).
  • Most of our play went through our unmarked MCR (Pogba) + our IW (Greenwood), even though they kept occupying the same space.
  • Our AP barely contributed defensively, perhaps not the best role vs better teams.

C41131AC-E034-4066-997A-9F83768E302D.thumb.jpeg.5d795ac12506312b43aca458db036efd.jpeg 
 

Scoring Goals

In terms of scoring goals, all four goals from this game came from set pieces or long shots (Inc. one deflected long shot):

  • Against Weaker teams - you’ll get lots of corners, free kicks & possession outside the box for long range shots. So purely through a numbers game, you’ll score goals.
  • Against Stronger teams - you’ll get less of all these set pieces + long shot opportunities. So your team struggled to score, as they have no / few other common patterns to score from. 
     

Suggestions

So against 4231s, you need

  1. more options to pass out from the back - I’d suggest inverted wing backs (IWBs) + the more cautious ‘Anchor‘ role vs. stronger teams.
  2. better role combination on the right side - either change your AMR to a Winger / IF ... or change your MRC to an AP or normal MC role.
  3. better role combination on the left side - either change your Winger to an IF (if you want a 2nd ST) or a IF [edit: typo, meant to say “or a IW”] (if you want more through balls ... or change your MLC to a B2B or normal MC role.

Example - at the very least, swop the two MC’s roles (AP on the right, B2B on the left!) with a DM / Anchor behind.
 

Extra Advice:

  1. aerial decision - would you’ve got a massive aerial threat up front, you need to better supply our Wingers (plural!) using either CMs or B2B (not APs who drift centrally). Otherwise change your ST’s role.
  2. different ST role - if you’re also playing an AP, don’t play a CF nor DLF up front - as they’ll occupy the same space. If you’ve got a fast striker who moves into the channels, play an AF for example.
  3. Width - If you play both IWBs + IWs / IFs, you probably want to change your width to ‘normal’ otherwise you’ll be too narrow everywhere.
  4. Overlaps - Unless your right WB is your best creator, turn off ‘wait for overlap’, as it’ll slow down your wingers play as well.
  5. EDIT - vs stronger opposition, if they play an AMC, then change your DMC to an Anchor, to keep some defensive protection as your using ‘all out pressing‘ but they have an AMC to mark. If the opposition play without an AMC, then MAYBE keep the DM or even a BWM in that DMC position, as they don’t have anyone to Mark (though I still love the anchor).


Summary

Does this make sense? I can see why you dominate weaker teams + struggle against stronger teams.

Let us know what you think ... 😄 ... and crucially let us know what works for you! 
 

 

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3 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Quick Analysis

Using your tactic, I played a few games as Man Utd. Yes your tactic dominates weaker teams + yes I can see why you struggle vs the stronger teams.

Match

Our opponents are using a 4231, with a defensive mentality.

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Their 4231

AE352DCD-1345-43A6-BACA-F4E0A3B37122.thumb.png.c2cc0b8bd87ef13b9c2ae2ab3168fe1f.png

Our 41221 (your tactic) 

C7F99C15-AF7E-42B3-869B-EE3C3900B475.thumb.png.7c7d2b475dca6e9926afd64e448233de.png

Key Issue #1: Lack short passing options from the back 

Against any opposition formation with an AMC, with our 41221, we already know:

  • Our DMC will be marked by their AMC, so we have one less passing option from the back (in yellow box).

633822D1-1FAC-4681-AC16-FEA3EE731EBA.thumb.jpeg.3a0cea4b510071dd2bbd23a13aa5c498.jpeg

Normally you’d have the full backs available (but they’re marked) OR the 2 MCs available (but they’re too high up the pitch) ...

... so who should our DC pass to (white arrows)?!

3946D000-33CE-4122-8DB3-FC7EEDE5387F.thumb.jpeg.90a4752786de5f6b3110fea4551a5766.jpeg

Answer: He passed it back to our GK. Not good. So we lack passing options from the back (vs an opposition AMC).


Key Issue #2: Our B2B + IW attack the same space.

  • As the don’t have a DMC, instead one of their MCs will ‘tuck in’ to a DMC position in front of their back 4 when defending (black arrow), so our MC on that side will have more time + space than normal (white shaded area).

17B92949-F35D-4B72-8279-90ADB4758FB4.thumb.jpeg.c133b5221ac7d611f532a7f4b92ca042.jpeg

However, as our AMR is an Inverter Winger, he’ll also cut inside (blue line below).

So our B2B midfielder has time + space, but can’t dribble forward nor play a through ball - Why? As there’s  no gap between opposition DL + DC, because our AMR has drifted back inwards.

37F7B8AA-2EA3-408E-B595-7A8A3F8AD7FC.thumb.jpeg.4972ad5b48fa2e3c600c6aae7c93ee74.jpeg

As a poster said above, your B2B + your IW are trying to take the same space. Not good.

8E3E92A1-CDF3-42ED-A0DC-3B1DD084991F.thumb.jpeg.83066f21db066ffd177d950266d84626.jpeg

 

Key Issue #3: No supply to the Winger, nor taking advantage of the space he’s created. 

In the screenshot above, you will notice our AP will drift centrally into the the AMC space when we’re attacking.

  • As the image below shows, this means there is no-one in our MLC position to supply the AML / Winger.
  • So our Winger hangs out wide, with no supply, pulling their DR wide - this means there is space inbetween their DL + DC (red shaded area below)! ...
  • But our MLC is an AP and drifts centrally, so cant take advantage of that space.

2933BE53-655A-47F9-B35F-176E7D3DFFB7.thumb.jpeg.b26901e9a43155e4853846bc972c4f65.jpeg 
 

Stats 

  • Our DMC was mostly marked out of our build up play (McTominay’s 10 passes)
  • Our AML / Winger barely got the ball (Rashford’s 3 passes) + our DL had the same issue (Shaw’s 7 passes).
  • Most of our play went through our unmarked MCR (Pogba) + our IW (Greenwood), even though they kept occupying the same space.
  • Our AP barely contributed defensively, perhaps not the best role vs better teams.

C41131AC-E034-4066-997A-9F83768E302D.thumb.jpeg.5d795ac12506312b43aca458db036efd.jpeg 
 

Scoring Goals

In terms of scoring goals, all four goals from this game came from set pieces or long shots (Inc. one deflected long shot):

  • Against Weaker teams - you’ll get lots of corners, free kicks & possession outside the box for long range shots. So purely through a numbers game, you’ll score goals.
  • Against Stronger teams - you’ll get less of all these set pieces + long shot opportunities. So your team struggled to score, as they have no / few other common patterns to score from. 
     

Suggestions

So against 4231s, you need

  1. more options to pass out from the back - I’d suggest inverted wing backs (IWBs) + the more cautious ‘Anchor‘ role vs. stronger teams.
  2. better role combination on the right side - either change your AMR to a Winger / IF ... or change your MRC to an AP or normal MC role.
  3. better role combination on the left side - either change your Winger to an IF (if you want a 2nd ST) or a IF (if you want more through balls ... or change your MLC to a B2B or normal MC role.

Extra Advice:

  1. aerial decision - would you’ve got a massive aerial threat up front, you need to better supply our Wingers (plural!) using either CMs or B2B (not APs who drift centrally). Otherwise change your ST’s role.
  2. different ST role - if you’re also playing an AP, don’t play a CF nor DLF up front - as they’ll occupy the same space. If you’ve got a fast striker who moves into the channels, play an AF for example.
  3. If you play both IWBs + IWs / IFs, you probably want to change your width to ‘normal’ otherwise you’ll be too narrow everywhere.
  4. Unless you’re right WB is your best creator, turn off ‘wait for overlap’, as it’ll slow down your wingers play as well.


Summary

Does this make sense? I can see why you dominate weaker teams + struggle against stronger teams.

Let us know what you think ... 😄 ... and crucially let us know what works for you! 
 

 

This is some next level analysis. 🤯

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26 minutes ago, CJ_Randell said:

This is some next level analysis. 🤯

Did something similar for @SSolas <here>.

If @BendtnerLord thinks he has a great aerial threat up front, then ‘Option 3‘ of that SSolas post (about two-thirds of the way down that first page) may be really useful for him also.

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33 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Did something similar for @SSolas <here>.

If @BendtnerLord thinks he has a great aerial threat up front, then ‘Option 3‘ of that SSolas post (about two-thirds of the way down that first page) may be really useful for him also.

@DanEnglishI would like such an analysis of mine Tōra Tōra Tōra.🤣🤣🤣

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1 hour ago, Silva Gamdok said:

@DanEnglishI would like such an analysis of mine Tōra Tōra Tōra.🤣🤣🤣

Let’s take that conversation over to your Tora Tora Tora thread Edit: <here> ... keep this one focused on @BendtnerLord + his requests 👍 

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3 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Quick Analysis

Using your tactic, I played a few games as Man Utd. Yes your tactic dominates weaker teams + yes I can see why you struggle vs the stronger teams.

Match - Our opponents are using a 4231, with a defensive mentality.

  Reveal hidden contents

Their 4231

AE352DCD-1345-43A6-BACA-F4E0A3B37122.thumb.png.c2cc0b8bd87ef13b9c2ae2ab3168fe1f.png

Our 41221 (your tactic) 

C7F99C15-AF7E-42B3-869B-EE3C3900B475.thumb.png.7c7d2b475dca6e9926afd64e448233de.png

Key Issue #1: Lack short passing options from the back 

Against any opposition formation with an AMC, with our 41221, we already know:

  • Our DMC will be marked by their AMC, so we have one less passing option from the back (in yellow box).

633822D1-1FAC-4681-AC16-FEA3EE731EBA.thumb.jpeg.3a0cea4b510071dd2bbd23a13aa5c498.jpeg

Normally you’d have the full backs available (but they’re marked) OR the 2 MCs available (but they’re too high up the pitch) ...

... so who should our DC pass to (white arrows)?!

3946D000-33CE-4122-8DB3-FC7EEDE5387F.thumb.jpeg.90a4752786de5f6b3110fea4551a5766.jpeg

Answer: He passed it back to our GK. Not good. So we lack passing options from the back (vs an opposition AMC).


Key Issue #2: Our B2B + IW attack the same space.

  • As the opponents don’t have a DMC, instead one of their MCs will ‘tuck in’ to a DMC position in front of their back 4 when defending (black arrow), so our MC on that side will have more time + space than normal (white shaded area).

17B92949-F35D-4B72-8279-90ADB4758FB4.thumb.jpeg.c133b5221ac7d611f532a7f4b92ca042.jpeg

However, as our AMR is an Inverted Winger, he’ll also cut inside (blue line below).

So our B2B midfielder has time + space, but can’t dribble forward nor play a through ball - Why? As there’s no gap between opposition DL + DC, because our AMR has drifted inwards.

37F7B8AA-2EA3-408E-B595-7A8A3F8AD7FC.thumb.jpeg.4972ad5b48fa2e3c600c6aae7c93ee74.jpeg

As a poster said above, your B2B + your IW are trying to take the same space. Not good.

8E3E92A1-CDF3-42ED-A0DC-3B1DD084991F.thumb.jpeg.83066f21db066ffd177d950266d84626.jpeg

 

Key Issue #3: No supply to the Winger, nor taking advantage of the space he’s created. 

In the screenshot above, you will notice our AP will drift centrally into the the AMC space when we’re attacking.

  • As the image below shows, this means there is no-one in our MLC position to supply the AML / Winger.
  • So our Winger hangs out wide, with no supply, pulling their DR wide - this means there is space inbetween their DR + DC (red shaded area below)! ...
  • But our MLC is an AP and drifts centrally, so cant take advantage of that space.

2933BE53-655A-47F9-B35F-176E7D3DFFB7.thumb.jpeg.b26901e9a43155e4853846bc972c4f65.jpeg 
 

Stats 

  • Our DMC was mostly marked out of our build up play (McTominay’s 10 passes)
  • Our AML / Winger barely got the ball (Rashford’s 3 passes) + our DL had the same issue (Shaw’s 7 passes).
  • Most of our play went through our unmarked MCR (Pogba) + our IW (Greenwood), even though they kept occupying the same space.
  • Our AP barely contributed defensively, perhaps not the best role vs better teams.

C41131AC-E034-4066-997A-9F83768E302D.thumb.jpeg.5d795ac12506312b43aca458db036efd.jpeg 
 

Scoring Goals

In terms of scoring goals, all four goals from this game came from set pieces or long shots (Inc. one deflected long shot):

  • Against Weaker teams - you’ll get lots of corners, free kicks & possession outside the box for long range shots. So purely through a numbers game, you’ll score goals.
  • Against Stronger teams - you’ll get less of all these set pieces + long shot opportunities. So your team struggled to score, as they have no / few other common patterns to score from. 
     

Suggestions

So against 4231s, you need

  1. more options to pass out from the back - I’d suggest inverted wing backs (IWBs) + the more cautious ‘Anchor‘ role vs. stronger teams.
  2. better role combination on the right side - either change your AMR to a Winger / IF ... or change your MRC to an AP or normal MC role.
  3. better role combination on the left side - either change your Winger to an IF (if you want a 2nd ST) or a IF (if you want more through balls ... or change your MLC to a B2B or normal MC role.

Example - at the very least, swop the two MC’s roles (AP on the right, B2B on the left!) with an Anchor behind.
 

Extra Advice:

  1. aerial decision - would you’ve got a massive aerial threat up front, you need to better supply our Wingers (plural!) using either CMs or B2B (not APs who drift centrally). Otherwise change your ST’s role.
  2. different ST role - if you’re also playing an AP, don’t play a CF nor DLF up front - as they’ll occupy the same space. If you’ve got a fast striker who moves into the channels, play an AF for example.
  3. Width - If you play both IWBs + IWs / IFs, you probably want to change your width to ‘normal’ otherwise you’ll be too narrow everywhere.
  4. Overlaps - Unless you’re right WB is your best creator, turn off ‘wait for overlap’, as it’ll slow down your wingers play as well.
  5. EDIT - vs stronger opposition, if they play an AMC, then change your DMC to an Anchor, to keep some defensive protection as your using ‘all out pressing‘ but they have an AMC to mark. If the opposition play without an AMC, then MAYBE keep the DM or even a BWM in that DMC position, as they don’t have anyone to Mark (though I still love the anchor).


Summary

Does this make sense? I can see why you dominate weaker teams + struggle against stronger teams.

Let us know what you think ... 😄 ... and crucially let us know what works for you! 
 

 

I think we can try to use less tweaks? I had both CF and DLF tried to pair with AP and they gave great results. Maybe using 2 IFs would be a good one?

I haven’t used anchor man much this year. Not sure how good it will be but AP-DLP-CM always works well for me. Sometimes I use BWM instead of DLP.

The thing I would suggest removing though, is look for overlap and the control mentality. Look for overlap always slow down the buildup so turn it off would be better. Attacking mentality seems to be better than control this year.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong :) 

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34 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

I had both CF and DLF tried to pair with AP and they gave great results.

Interesting, Was that a one striker system (I.e. the CF and DLF were in different formations / games) ... or a two striker partnership (CF + DLF play together) ... ?

  • If it’s a one striker system, did you see the CF or DLF drop deep to collect the ball?
  • You can see on the SSolas thread that his DLF couldn’t drop deep as the AP usd taken his space.
  • Therefore I’d suggest the CF / DLF can play well, but they’re not dropping deep like a DLF is being asked to. Happy to be corrected on this.
38 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

I think we can try to use less tweaks?

Agree less tweaks is better. You’ve just got pick which tweaks you want - depends on your players + desired style of play. For sure I’ve mentioned too many, in the hope that you’ll try some of them (I.e. the ones that make sense to you).

 

39 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

The thing I would suggest removing though, is look for overlap and the control mentality

100% agree.

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3 minutes ago, DanEnglish said:

Interesting, Was that a one striker system (I.e. the CF and DLF were in different formations / games) ... or a two striker partnership (CF + DLF play together) ... ?

  • If it’s a one striker system, did you see the CF or DLF drop deep to collect the ball?
  • You can see on the SSolas thread that his DLF couldn’t drop deep as the AP usd taken his space.
  • Therefore I’d suggest the CF / DLF can play well, but they’re not dropping deep like a DLF is being asked to. Happy to be corrected on this.

Agree less tweaks is better. You’ve just got pick which tweaks you want - depends on your players + desired style of play. For sure I’ve mentioned too many, in the hope that you’ll try some of them (I.e. the ones that make sense to you).

 

100% agree.

One striker tactic and yes, I see DLF and CF drop less but it helps the team to bring the ball from deep so I think it’s a good thing?

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13 minutes ago, broodje kip said:

One striker tactic and yes, I see DLF and CF drop less but it helps the team to bring the ball from deep so I think it’s a good thing?

Edit - 👍

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9 hours ago, DanEnglish said:

Quick Analysis

Using your tactic, I played a few games as Man Utd. Yes your tactic dominates weaker teams + yes I can see why you struggle vs the stronger teams.

Match - Our opponents are using a 4231, with a defensive mentality.

  Reveal hidden contents

Their 4231

AE352DCD-1345-43A6-BACA-F4E0A3B37122.thumb.png.c2cc0b8bd87ef13b9c2ae2ab3168fe1f.png

Our 41221 (your tactic) 

C7F99C15-AF7E-42B3-869B-EE3C3900B475.thumb.png.7c7d2b475dca6e9926afd64e448233de.png

Key Issue #1: Lack short passing options from the back 

Against any opposition formation with an AMC, with our 41221, we already know:

  • Our DMC will be marked by their AMC, so we have one less passing option from the back (in yellow box).

633822D1-1FAC-4681-AC16-FEA3EE731EBA.thumb.jpeg.3a0cea4b510071dd2bbd23a13aa5c498.jpeg

Normally you’d have the full backs available (but they’re marked) OR the 2 MCs available (but they’re too high up the pitch) ...

... so who should our DC pass to (white arrows)?!

3946D000-33CE-4122-8DB3-FC7EEDE5387F.thumb.jpeg.90a4752786de5f6b3110fea4551a5766.jpeg

Answer: He passed it back to our GK. Not good. So we lack passing options from the back (vs an opposition AMC).


Key Issue #2: Our B2B + IW attack the same space.

  • As the opponents don’t have a DMC, instead one of their MCs will ‘tuck in’ to a DMC position in front of their back 4 when defending (black arrow), so our MC on that side will have more time + space than normal (white shaded area).

17B92949-F35D-4B72-8279-90ADB4758FB4.thumb.jpeg.c133b5221ac7d611f532a7f4b92ca042.jpeg

However, as our AMR is an Inverted Winger, he’ll also cut inside (blue line below).

So our B2B midfielder has time + space, but can’t dribble forward nor play a through ball - Why? As there’s no gap between opposition DL + DC, because our AMR has drifted inwards.

37F7B8AA-2EA3-408E-B595-7A8A3F8AD7FC.thumb.jpeg.4972ad5b48fa2e3c600c6aae7c93ee74.jpeg

As a poster said above, your B2B + your IW are trying to take the same space. Not good.

8E3E92A1-CDF3-42ED-A0DC-3B1DD084991F.thumb.jpeg.83066f21db066ffd177d950266d84626.jpeg

 

Key Issue #3: No supply to the Winger, nor taking advantage of the space he’s created. 

In the screenshot above, you will notice our AP will drift centrally into the the AMC space when we’re attacking.

  • As the image below shows, this means there is no-one in our MLC position to supply the AML / Winger.
  • So our Winger hangs out wide, with no supply, pulling their DR wide - this means there is space inbetween their DR + DC (red shaded area below)! ...
  • But our MLC is an AP and drifts centrally, so cant take advantage of that space.

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Stats 

  • Our DMC was mostly marked out of our build up play (McTominay’s 10 passes)
  • Our AML / Winger barely got the ball (Rashford’s 3 passes) + our DL had the same issue (Shaw’s 7 passes).
  • Most of our play went through our unmarked MCR (Pogba) + our IW (Greenwood), even though they kept occupying the same space.
  • Our AP barely contributed defensively, perhaps not the best role vs better teams.

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Scoring Goals

In terms of scoring goals, all four goals from this game came from set pieces or long shots (Inc. one deflected long shot):

  • Against Weaker teams - you’ll get lots of corners, free kicks & possession outside the box for long range shots. So purely through a numbers game, you’ll score goals.
  • Against Stronger teams - you’ll get less of all these set pieces + long shot opportunities. So your team struggled to score, as they have no / few other common patterns to score from. 
     

Suggestions

So against 4231s, you need

  1. more options to pass out from the back - I’d suggest inverted wing backs (IWBs) + the more cautious ‘Anchor‘ role vs. stronger teams.
  2. better role combination on the right side - either change your AMR to a Winger / IF ... or change your MRC to an AP or normal MC role.
  3. better role combination on the left side - either change your Winger to an IF (if you want a 2nd ST) or a IF (if you want more through balls ... or change your MLC to a B2B or normal MC role.

Example - at the very least, swop the two MC’s roles (AP on the right, B2B on the left!) with an Anchor behind.
 

Extra Advice:

  1. aerial decision - would you’ve got a massive aerial threat up front, you need to better supply our Wingers (plural!) using either CMs or B2B (not APs who drift centrally). Otherwise change your ST’s role.
  2. different ST role - if you’re also playing an AP, don’t play a CF nor DLF up front - as they’ll occupy the same space. If you’ve got a fast striker who moves into the channels, play an AF for example.
  3. Width - If you play both IWBs + IWs / IFs, you probably want to change your width to ‘normal’ otherwise you’ll be too narrow everywhere.
  4. Overlaps - Unless you’re right WB is your best creator, turn off ‘wait for overlap’, as it’ll slow down your wingers play as well.
  5. EDIT - vs stronger opposition, if they play an AMC, then change your DMC to an Anchor, to keep some defensive protection as your using ‘all out pressing‘ but they have an AMC to mark. If the opposition play without an AMC, then MAYBE keep the DM or even a BWM in that DMC position, as they don’t have anyone to Mark (though I still love the anchor).


Summary

Does this make sense? I can see why you dominate weaker teams + struggle against stronger teams.

Let us know what you think ... 😄 ... and crucially let us know what works for you! 
 

 

You broke the word HELPING! Legend!

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On 11/10/2021 at 11:42, DanEnglish said:

Quick Analysis

Using your tactic, I played a few games as Man Utd. Yes your tactic dominates weaker teams + yes I can see why you struggle vs the stronger teams.

Match - Our opponents are using a 4231, with a defensive mentality.

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Their 4231

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Our 41221 (your tactic) 

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Key Issue #1: Lack short passing options from the back 

Against any opposition formation with an AMC, with our 41221, we already know:

  • Our DMC will be marked by their AMC, so we have one less passing option from the back (in yellow box).

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Normally you’d have the full backs available (but they’re marked) OR the 2 MCs available (but they’re too high up the pitch) ...

... so who should our DC pass to (white arrows)?!

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Answer: He passed it back to our GK. Not good. So we lack passing options from the back (vs an opposition AMC).


Key Issue #2: Our B2B + IW attack the same space.

  • As the opponents don’t have a DMC, instead one of their MCs will ‘tuck in’ to a DMC position in front of their back 4 when defending (black arrow), so our MC on that side will have more time + space than normal (white shaded area).

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However, as our AMR is an Inverted Winger, he’ll also cut inside (blue line below).

So our B2B midfielder has time + space, but can’t dribble forward nor play a through ball - Why? As there’s no gap between opposition DL + DC, because our AMR has drifted inwards.

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As a poster said above, your B2B + your IW are trying to take the same space. Not good.

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Key Issue #3: No supply to the Winger, nor taking advantage of the space he’s created. 

In the screenshot above, you will notice our AP will drift centrally into the the AMC space when we’re attacking.

  • As the image below shows, this means there is no-one in our MLC position to supply the AML / Winger.
  • So our Winger hangs out wide, with no supply, pulling their DR wide - this means there is space inbetween their DR + DC (red shaded area below)! ...
  • But our MLC is an AP and drifts centrally, so cant take advantage of that space.

2933BE53-655A-47F9-B35F-176E7D3DFFB7.thumb.jpeg.b26901e9a43155e4853846bc972c4f65.jpeg 
 

Stats 

  • Our DMC was mostly marked out of our build up play (McTominay’s 10 passes)
  • Our AML / Winger barely got the ball (Rashford’s 3 passes) + our DL had the same issue (Shaw’s 7 passes).
  • Most of our play went through our unmarked MCR (Pogba) + our IW (Greenwood), even though they kept occupying the same space.
  • Our AP barely contributed defensively, perhaps not the best role vs better teams.

C41131AC-E034-4066-997A-9F83768E302D.thumb.jpeg.5d795ac12506312b43aca458db036efd.jpeg 
 

Scoring Goals

In terms of scoring goals, all four goals from this game came from set pieces or long shots (Inc. one deflected long shot):

  • Against Weaker teams - you’ll get lots of corners, free kicks & possession outside the box for long range shots. So purely through a numbers game, you’ll score goals.
  • Against Stronger teams - you’ll get less of all these set pieces + long shot opportunities. So your team struggled to score, as they have no / few other common patterns to score from. 
     

Suggestions

So against 4231s, you need

  1. more options to pass out from the back - I’d suggest inverted wing backs (IWBs) + the more cautious ‘Anchor‘ role vs. stronger teams.
  2. better role combination on the right side - either change your AMR to a Winger / IF ... or change your MRC to an AP or normal MC role.
  3. better role combination on the left side - either change your Winger to an IF (if you want a 2nd ST) or a IF (if you want more through balls ... or change your MLC to a B2B or normal MC role.

Example - at the very least, swop the two MC’s roles (AP on the right, B2B on the left!) with an Anchor behind.
 

Extra Advice:

  1. aerial decision - would you’ve got a massive aerial threat up front, you need to better supply our Wingers (plural!) using either CMs or B2B (not APs who drift centrally). Otherwise change your ST’s role.
  2. different ST role - if you’re also playing an AP, don’t play a CF nor DLF up front - as they’ll occupy the same space. If you’ve got a fast striker who moves into the channels, play an AF for example.
  3. Width - If you play both IWBs + IWs / IFs, you probably want to change your width to ‘normal’ otherwise you’ll be too narrow everywhere.
  4. Overlaps - Unless you’re right WB is your best creator, turn off ‘wait for overlap’, as it’ll slow down your wingers play as well.
  5. EDIT - vs stronger opposition, if they play an AMC, then change your DMC to an Anchor, to keep some defensive protection as your using ‘all out pressing‘ but they have an AMC to mark. If the opposition play without an AMC, then MAYBE keep the DM or even a BWM in that DMC position, as they don’t have anyone to Mark (though I still love the anchor).


Summary

Does this make sense? I can see why you dominate weaker teams + struggle against stronger teams.

Let us know what you think ... 😄 ... and crucially let us know what works for you! 
 

 

WOW, haha, thank you so much it’s more than I could ever expected! Really appreciate it and will test your suggestions during this weekend, don’t have a possibility to play at the moment, but thank you so much again)

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Thank all of you guys for your help!

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